non-knife people/LEO friendly spydercos for relatively hard use?

arty said:
Three years ago, my wife was out walking our poodle in the snow, when a great Pyrenees got loose from his master (a judge), ran up, knocked my wife down and bit her on the leg. She was protecting our dog. The owner of the attacking dog threw himself on it and got the dog off her. The bite was close to a major artery. If it had torn the artery, my wife might have bled to death. Something like half a million dog bites are reported each year, and many involve children. Something like close to 5000 mailmen are bitten by dogs each year.

When I walked our dog, I carried a Rookie in my pocket, but also carried pepper spray and a 3 ft. stick. I originally got a garotte from Kris Cutlery, but found it wasn't strong when testing it on a cardboard box. I carved one for myself out of Argentine lignum vitae. A long walking stick of 3-4 ft is the best defense, according to a local police officer. Even an umbrella can work - it did for my wife in a later incident.
At night, I carried a 4D maglight, with a very bright Malkoff Devices LED insert. One night a strange dog ran up to us, I turned around, the light flashed in the dogs eyes...and the dog jumped in the air and ran away.
I'd recommend the Caly3 that you described. I have one, and it is a very quick opening knife. The action is smoother than my Rookie. It is highly recommended.
Personally, I'd want the long stick and pepper spray. You don't want to be close enough to have to use a knife to defend yourself. It is windy here in Illinois, so my first line of defense would be the stick! If nothing else works, then you can always use the knife.
There have been a number of dog attacks where I live, and they often are directed toward someone walking a dog.
P.S. the offending dog got house arrest for a few days, and the judge's homeowners insurance had to pay for my wife's jeans. In Illinois, dangerous dogs are allowed "3 free bites" before being declared dangerous.
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Wow, that must have been a terrifying experience. I'm glad your wife is okay. That pyrennes should have gotten the needle, IMO. Dog bite laws are often too permissive. Our love of animals is clouding our perspective.
 
raisins said:
You're right that a knife would be last ditch for sure.

I would love a baton (more low key than a staff), but I believe they cannot be carried here (but will check). I am seriously eyeballing the sage 2 and the caly 3 (new laminate with cf). I'm leaning sage 2 because I believe the handle looks more secure in hand. I've not handled either but the caly 3 is smooth CF, no? I don't have a good knife shop nearby, so I buy all my spydies without handling them. Haven't been disappointed yet, they are the work of brilliant people.
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I'm personally biased in favor of the Sage 2 just because I love the Sage series so much, but it should be noted that you'll get better traction from the carbon fiber on the Caly3 (or a Sage1) than you would with the titanium handles on the Sage2. Of course that's strictly with regard to the handle materials...you would need to decide if the combination of handle shape AND handle materials on the Sage2 gives you a more secure grip than the handle material and shape of the Caly3. Unfortunately you're buying blind (I do that often as well) so you'll just have to make a judgement call. I have not owned a Caly3, but understand it to be superb. I can vouch for the Sage 1 & 2.
 
Man those are some sacry stories. A pack of ferral dogs is no joke. I've broken up a few fights between my dobermans and I can't even imagine how terrifying it would be to get attacked by a pack of hungry dogs. I'd just carry a walking stick and if its legal for you a gun.
 
A stout cane or walking stick is absolutely the best option! It is much better to swat the hell out of a dog 2-3' away from your body that trying to poke or slash one that is 2-4" from vulnerable body parts! I say a fully serrated Military or that large Chinese import would be the best options for a last ditch situation.
 
A local officer with experience in animal control recommended a long walking stick. His comment was that most dogs won't approach too closely if the stick is out there - between you and the dog.
Years ago, I lived in Winston-Salem. A pair of rotweilers took down and killed a jogger there. Aggressive dogs are a real problem, especially since there are people who don't train these large breeds properly, and don't keep them in a secure fashion.
 
When I walk my dog I always carry a stick and pepper spray. The stick works. Pepper spray works also, just be sure the wind is not blowing in your face.
 
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