Noss posted more videos...

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BePrepared ---- I think your stuck between fantasy and reality... almost every single post or remark you make is how superior INFI is... while I also like it, and love a lot of Jerry designs.. what exactly is it kicking butt in? chopping blocks? I have a pneumatic chisel that will do that all day every day, cutting metal??? I have a 50 ton press shear with A-2 blades that will cut steel all day everyday. while I appreciate your enthusiasm for INFI, some of your remarks make you look quite foolish. .... if you can point me in the direction of a INFI blade that can hold its edge through gutting, skinning, and cutting a adult male mule deer without any problems please point me in that direction,-( I would honestly love to find one)- all of mine have failed in that department.


all the tests are subjective anyways, Noss's $10 knife that did great in his tests, didn't fair well in mine after snapping within minutes,
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Which $10 knife would that be? can you post a link to your review so we can see it?
FerFAL
 
I'm not a fan of the videos. I just watched the one with the Chris Reeve Green Beret. I don't expect that knife to be a chopper and I would more so consider that knife to be "tactical" (Hate the modern use of the word) then a chopper/camp knife. To me, he's basically doing a test that is the equivalent of comparing a 4x4 truck and a Honda Civic driving through a mud pit. Each has it's designated purpose and I haven't seen the knives themselves as advertised otherwise. I use a variety of steels besides INFI and have a realistic idea of what my knife can and can't do based on the steel, design, thickness, etc. When he posted his first video in a Jason mask, he lost all credibility in my book.

Let's keep it civil as we are all adults and will have varying opinions.
 
FerFal, didn't film it, it was the rough use knife from cheaper than dirt, you can have the pieces though if ya want
 
KnifeAddictAK said:
I'm not a fan of the videos. I just watched the one with the Chris Reeve Green Beret. I don't expect that knife to be a chopper and I would more so consider that knife to be "tactical" (Hate the modern use of the word) then a chopper/camp knife. To me, he's basically doing a test that is the equivalent of comparing a 4x4 truck and a Honda Civic driving through a mud pit. Each has it's designated purpose and I haven't seen the knives themselves as advertised otherwise. I use a variety of steels besides INFI and have a realistic idea of what my knife can and can't do based on the steel, design, thickness, etc. When he posted his first video in a Jason mask, he lost all credibility in my book.

Let's keep it civil as we are all adults and will have varying opinions.
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Chris Reeve, after winning all the awards need to show some credibility....in the world of "tactical".
And why you want see Noss face, are you gay or some?
 
demoteamone said:
Chris Reeve, after winning all the awards need to show some credibility....in the world of "tactical".
And why you want see Noss face, are you gay or some?
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Hahaha. Show some credibility? I think his (Chris Reeve) knife making career has done that. And to resort to questioning a man's sexual orientation seems a bit childish as well as appearing to be an Ad Hominen argument. But yeah, they should step up and prove that if I am ever in battle against an army of 2x4's, I will be equipped to chop through them :thumbup:

Edited to add: If we are going to be discussing the integrity of Chris Reeve and his knives, then he should be aware of this and it should be taken up with him in private. Not aired out on another manufacturer's forum where he probably won't see it as well as being respectful of Busse Combat who pays for this forum, as well as having a ZERO TOLERANCE policy in regards to bashing any other manufacturer or knife maker.
 
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The "stupid" in this thread will cease. We are not going to make other members the topic of conversation. A Busse forum mod will be along soon to determine if they want this thread to continue.
 
I will say this, in regards to fellow Hogs that put their knives through the paces, I do enjoy those pics and videos. Why? Because I know they are having the time of their lives and learning the limitations of their knives in applications that are close to or actually are relevant to their outdoor activities. They are not doing it in the name of science or testing, but because they love to use their knives that Busse Kin sell. To me, those are "tests" that are enjoyable as opposed to an anonymous person or persons whose sole intent is to push a knife to a breaking point and destroying someones hard-work. Granted, it is their right to do with the knife as they see fit since they made the purchase, so rather than "rain on their parade", I simply decide to pass on the videos/posts (with this thread being the exception). With Noss' video, he is intentionally attempting to damage or destroy the knife which is not covered by Busse Combat. So I hope that there is a disclaimer in place stated this so that people not familiar with Busse kin knives will not attempt to do the same and be out their hard earned cash because they were misinformed or didn't do their research (which is on them to a point). Anyways, this is just my $0.02 and you can see my disclaimer in my sig line :)
 
Man, thanks for the update, started watching them all over again, just to get motivated to go out and chop with my Big Busses!
 
fbusmc said:
Man, thanks for the update, started watching them all over again, just to get motivated to go out and chop with my Big Busses!
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Glad someone appreciated the update. I seem to be getting a very different reaction from others.
 
While it is nice to see that Noss seems to be back up and going again I understand that everyone has different opinions on the subject. The childish insults and questioning of sexual preferences are DONE. Consider this to be the last warning on the subject.

Garth
 
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BePrepared said:
Looks like the busse's are whoopin butt.

The CRK Green Beret didn't even make it past the 2x4 hammering.

The Keffeler Monster took some light edge damage on the brick chopping test and very minor tip damage on the brick hammering test, but otherwise survived the entire test

i think these knives are pretty close to the size/weight of the Busse Ash and FFBM that were tested, and neither busse took ANY damage on these tests...

I guess that kind of speaks for itself
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I agree that the Busse Ash and FFBM are tough knives,
but Are You sure that they didn’t take" ANY "damage? Did you see that both were broken into multable pieces of undamaged infi?
 
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Ooooooh dan the man keffeler himself weighs in . The one total surviver! The silverback is on my wish list. If comparing the br to ffbm is like comparing civic to a 4x4 keffeler brought bigfoot :D ironic , because pepole thought monster trucks were unneceserly distructive also. Noss cool vids ,dan COOL knife. That is all .Over &out
 
i saw the one he did on the 25 dollar coldsteel tanto that thing took a hella beating before failing not bad for a cheap knife should hold up to normal stuff forever!
 
tfields said:
i saw the one he did on the 25 dollar coldsteel tanto that thing took a hella beating before failing not bad for a cheap knife should hold up to normal stuff forever!
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yes and no. The Cold steel tanto is even thicker in it's general grind than the thickest busse's, the only thing I can think to compare it to is the 3/16" public defender, and even then I'm pretty sure it's thicker in every regard. It comes very close to qualifying as a prybar in geometry. That means it *should* be able to take large amounts of overall abuse and shock without major failure as long as the steel is malleable enough. That does not mean the edge will hold up well.

Overall ability to resist bending, fractures, and massive failure is not the same as maintaining a usable edge. The edge can be completely mashed out 2mm into the main grind, which by anyones standards would make it usesless as a knife, yet still continue to function as a prybar or a dull cold chisel. Ability to resist damage involves more than just maintaining the outline of a knifes shape.

Destructive testing is only overkill/unwarranted if the company has produced extensive information on their own destructive testing. I can't think of any knife makers who have done this, including busse. Yes, busse has posed images of some hard use/abuse of (my memory might fail on this one a bit) an ak47, a swamp rat camp tramp, their d2 hunter, their new tomahawk, and the scrap yard dog father, but the post was only so detailed in it's images, and on a very select few knives, many of which were in different steels, and none were to destruction. The ak47 has a very low very thick grind, making it's performance notably different than something like the competition finish sarsquatch.

Destructive testing goes beyond the idea that the knife is just meant to be a chopper - it shows how the knife will perform in every day tasks as well. Take an active duty or a green berret and try to pry out a staple, drop it on concrete while running when you didn't realize how snuggly it was in the sheath, accidentally hit a bottle sitting next to you as you carve wood, all of these things can break a knife. It's good to know how a steel reacts under hard impacts and stresses before hand. The more instances of use, abuse, damage and breakages you have the more complete your vocabulary of norms is, the broader your understanding of how the steel functions is. So that when you use it and you have to use it for a task that might break it, you'll know before hand and can help to mitigate the potential damage. Some knives, some steels take more care and more consideration than others: you will not know that from the maker, you'll know it from the knowledge of norms of how the steel acts in actual use.

Obviously these knives are expensive, but they aren't your knives, it isn't your money, and there were many of them made. You can put your trust in a company or it's maker to make a knife or a piece of gear that fits all the needs you might have for it when doing something where your life depends on the ability of your gear: or you could test it into destruction to know for sure what it will do when treated poorly under great stress when you do things you should know better than to do. Not everyone gets that chance, and they shouldn't be knocked for doing it.
 
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KnifeAddictAK said:
I'm not a fan of the videos. I just watched the one with the Chris Reeve Green Beret. I don't expect that knife to be a chopper and I would more so consider that knife to be "tactical" (Hate the modern use of the word) then a chopper/camp knife.
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The term 'green beret' in the U.S. sense means a special forces operative in the u.s. army. Running special operations in aghanistan/iraq can include punching holes in bricks. 'tactical' does not necessarily equate to 'combat', combat being in the field of combat which includes very harsh treatment on par with what jerry's knives are subjected to. But, "Green Beret" does indicates military, which indicates combat. The green beret knife is made of reletively thick stock, with a low saber grind, with a relatively thick edge if it was meant to be any kind of slicer/light to general use knife. If it just needed to be heavy it wouldn't need suck a thick edge, unless the steel used requires it to be so for the intended or potential tasks required of it. Every element of the knife indicates that it's meant to be used by the military under combat conditions, which means harsh use in harsh conditions.

Everyones opinions differ, but when the knife is marketed like this one is, it's worth having destructive testing done and presented to the public so that a real green beret knows how the knife is going to act under uses that can cause damage, or catastrophic failure.
 
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Last Visible Canary :thumbup:
Although regarding this section:
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... It comes very close to qualifying as a prybar in geometry. That means it *should* be able to take large amounts of overall abuse and shock without major failure as long as the steel is malleable enough. That does not mean the edge will hold up well.

Overall ability to resist bending, fractures, and massive failure is not the same as maintaining a usable edge. The edge can be completely mashed out 2mm into the main grind, which by anyone's standards would make it useless as a knife, yet still continue to function as a prybar or a dull cold chisel. Ability to resist damage involves more than just maintaining the outline of a knifes shape.
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Certainly impact toughness and strength do not ensure edge-retention, particularly under lighter use that doesn't involve chopping concrete/metal and lateral prying, BUT they help to maintain the overall structural integrity of the tool. In a knife designed for this level of strength/toughness, the goal is to leave the user with a dull prybar and task completed rather than a task unfinished and no tool at all! A bent/dull knife can be reshaped/sharpened. But a broken knife...

Obviously this is all task/use specific, as you alluded to in discussing geometry. I hope that such destruction tests push innovation and manufacture to improve on the qualities we desire in our knives: increasing strength and impact toughness while also improving abrasion resistance and letting us lower our edge angles to watch cutting performance soar. :)
 
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