Not pleased with offer!

BlackNinja

BlackNinja

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I won't mention his name, just venting! He was all up for a str8 up deal regarding my big Dyad and his Gunting. Then he emails me that he wants a 2 knife combination between my Dyad, Lum tanto and ZDP Caly jr., any 2 of these for the Gunting. He must think I'm some kind of a dumb ass! Lets see, Gunting - $around $200, big Dyad - around $200 Lum tanto - around $175 ZDP Caly - the last one sold for $270. Thats pretty insulting to make an offer like that! :mad:
I wonder if he'll chime in to explain why he would ask $400+ for a knife that's worth $200, besides the obvious fact that he was trying to screw me over! I wonder if a jar of vasoline came with the Gunting?
 
BlackNinja said:
I wonder if he'll chime in to explain why he would ask $400+ for a knife that's worth $200, besides the obvious fact that he was trying to screw me over! I wonder if a jar of vasoline came with the Gunting?
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Depends on the variant. If he's offering an S30V PE, it may very well be worth it. Though not many people would even think of going through with a trade like that(obsessed freaks like me are the exception)

But in his defense, perhaps he feels the Gunting is worth that much. That's the funny thing about collectors, I could think a knife is worth six figures, and another wouldn't even give me pocket change for it.

Actually, Guntings have been rather cheap lately...:confused: Perhaps I should stock up...again.
 
smcfalls13 said:
Depends on the variant. If he's offering an S30V PE, it may very well be worth it. Though not many people would even think of going through with a trade like that(obsessed freaks like me are the exception)

But in his defense, perhaps he feels the Gunting is worth that much. That's the funny thing about collectors, I could think a knife is worth six figures, and another wouldn't even give me pocket change for it.

Actually, Guntings have been rather cheap lately...:confused: Perhaps I should stock up...again.
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The only Gunting I've ever seen that got $400 was the fully serrated one. Also, why would he first offer to do a str8 up deal, and then ask for DOUBLE what was 1st offered!:confused: :jerkit:
 
I understand, sometimes it seems like folks think this is freaking ebay. Some folks will pay $200 for a benchmade that sells here for $115. Some folks will pay almost $200 for a plastic handled Spyder. My advice is don't take it personally. Collectors are freaks. I should know... I am one.

At the end of the day, all that matters is honesty, and a policy that a trade is only a trade if both sides are happy with it. This, is not ebay. You will see each other again here.
 
From my experience trading online, I wouldn't take it personally if I were you. Whenever you put a knife up for trade, you're going to get good offers and you're going to get bad offers. I was once offered a $400 knife straight up in exchange for a knife that is worth $1500 on the secondary market.

Some people just honestly don't have any idea of the relative values of knives, especially if the secondary market value differs from the retail or maker's price. If I don't like an offer, I'll just politely decline it. After all, you never know if they'll offer you a really great trade later on someday (it's happened to me before).
 
I have been on both ends of this type of interaction. I find it best to say "Thanks for the offer" and move on. Sometimes though, folks just want a counter offer. It's called bartering.
 
Thanks guys! Thats exactly what I did (a while ago.) A basic "Thanks for the reply." You guys are right, I shouldn't take it personal. It just get's frustrating. I'll take that advise.

Joe
 
commodorewheeler said:
From my experience trading online, I wouldn't take it personally if I were you. Whenever you put a knife up for trade, you're going to get good offers and you're going to get bad offers.
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Thinking about some of the incredible knives you've shown us, I'm not surprised at people being blinded by them and losing all sense of proportion! :D

We get the same response even when it's not knives up for grabs, just in the general discussion, like "how can you tell me a piece of titanium and steel is worth that kind of money :confused: :eek: "
 
I can relate with what BLACKNINJA is talking about. I had a big C-44 Spyderco Dyad just like the one BLACKNINJA was just talking about. Anyone who has more than sawdust for brains or even vaguely knows what Spyderco knives are worth will tell you that a big Dyad on it's worst day will bring in $150 anytime.

I had a guy here on this Forum who is well known offer me a USED Harpy for a NIB big Dyad :mad: .

This is where I totally agree with BLACKNINJA>> Because I think the point he is trying to make is the fact that some of these guys are truly just trying to be absolutely insulting. The point that he is trying to make is that you can transcend the barrier of a lowball/highend trade to the point to where you are just being an ass. And I heartily agree with the point he is making. And I can't help but believe that most of these buttheads he's referring to know exactly what they are doing in that case :mad: . Just my 2 cents
 
JD, the point that they are wrong but you are upset. Illegitimis non carborundum -- don't let the bastards grind you down. :p

If it's a mistake, shrug it off. If it's an attempt to con you, laugh it off. And never ascribe to malice what can be explained by stupidity.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
JD, the point that they are wrong but you are upset. Illegitimis non carborundum -- don't let the bastards grind you down. :p

If it's a mistake, shrug it off. If it's an attempt to con you, laugh it off. And never ascribe to malice what can be explained by stupidity.
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Esav you really do make a good point. I will give you an A on your observation of what I said. I will admit that my feedback did have some anger mixed in with it. But you are right to advise what you did. It is right to not let someone like that get you in the "anger zone". Yes you are indeed right>> just simply hit the DELETE button and proceed ahead ( while you are chuckling :D ).

I think the overall point that BLACKNINJA is trying to get across is that in a Forum of this caliber with the high caliber of traders, collectors, enthusiasts, afficionados of fine cutlery you just don't expect that kind of riff raff. With that being said: even in the finest homes & hotels you will occasionally find a housefly or a roach every now and then.

The vast majority of the guys/gals I have gotten to know here on BF have some really high quality people. I can honestly say that I have never as to this day had anyone outright rip me off here on BF. So with that being said your point is well taken. The overall point that I do think that BLACKNINJA so succinctly got across was that: "RESPECT IS A 2 WAY STREET". You're right though>> it is laughable in a lot of ways>> just hit the delete button and move on. :)
 
The last couple of weeks I've been selling off some knives on the various forums and I was really dissapointed with the offers of some forumites!
People will E-mail you to "offer" you $50,- for a knife that is worth $200,-???

Most knifenuts are probably okay,but there are a lot of lowdown losers among the forumites!!!


Just my opinion!
 
We ask for it, in a way. We tell each other to go to the sales forums for a good price on a knife people couldn't afford otherwise. Some of those people are young or on a tight budget. These are also the people with less experience in values and prices.

Then you see listings with a price ... obo. Or best offer. That's asking for a lowball. And it's encouraging people to lowball the rest of us. Just post your price, and when an email offer asks for a few bucks off, fine.

As one of my favorite lines goes, "Oh, no! Not another learning experience ..."
 
I personally don't get offended when someone emails me a lowball offer that is frankly, ridiculous. I say "thanks for the offer, but I'll pass". Many have come back with a more reasonable offer and I've made the deal. I don't fault people for making low offers either, some just don't know any better. Some probably figure that if someone is in a real bind and needs the cash quick maybe they'll bite. Who here hasn't gone to a car dealer (new or used) for example, and made a very low (too low ;) ) offer that you fully expect to get rejected? I have and I've yet to have a dealer tell me "you know, that is the most ridiculous offer I've seen yet. Get the hell of my lot and never come back!". There is nothing wrong with haggling and sometimes it can be fun, if to your benefit :)

Ed
 
I believe that people know better, but the thought process is, "Hell, never hurts to try. Maybe, just maybe, I'll get lucky."

In effect, for them, it's like hitting the lottery. :D


overlord1 said:
I say "thanks for the offer, but I'll pass".
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:thumbup: Works everytime and eleviates the upset feeling ! :D
 
I have been on both sides of this issue. I have made offers that later I found out were not fair. It was never to lowball someone or screw them, I just wasn't aware that the knife I was interested in was worth so much more than I thought it was. With all the knives out there in all the variation, it is easy to make a mistake when you are not an expert. Then there is the E-Bay vs. BF prices. I don't do any business on E-Bay because I think the prices are crazy there. It would be great to sell there but I am not interested in that either.

I don't expect to get anywhere near E-Bay prices when I am trading with fellow members here. You can't trade on E-Bay so there is a trade off. I don't expect to pay E-Bay prices here either. If someone wants E-Bay prices, go sell it on E-bay and leave us alone.

I have been on the other side of the issue as well when people have offered me junk for a high dollar knife. I think most of the time it is just someone that doesn't know any better and doesn't mean anything by it. Once in a while I get the feeling that it is just some guy fishing for suckers to take advantage of. I try to avoid those guys as much as possible. I never get angry about it. The worst I do is laugh it off but I don't feel the need to send an angry response or post about it in the GBU. Too many years of dealing with gun traders at gunshows has taught me to have a little tougher skin. If you get mad at every stupid offer that comes your way, you are going to spend a lot of your time pissed off for no good reason.
 
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