Not selling what you show?

TrackerDan

TrackerDan

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Hello all, Maybe it's just me; but sometimes I will buy a certain product where looks are as important as function for me. A certain blade stamp or the steel used on a particular model.

In this case I will mention The ESEE models that at one time had a skull with crossed blades on the blades. Well I found that to be cool and had the money and went to purchase one. This is on a popular auction website. The product that was displayed to me was not the product I received, I did not receive a skull and crossed blades like the one pictured for sale. I messaged the seller and they responded with a shipping label and I sent it right back. All in all my money was tied up a month or so. I sort of was expecting that. Then I notified my money sender, PayPal, after I saw that the item was received by the sender and there had been no action for a couple days. I didn't fully realize that this caused a disturbance in the force and limited this sellers ability to conduct business. My money was refunded; but a couple days later I received a notice from PayPal that they wanted more information about the transaction. That if they ruled against me they would take back my refund? I'm actually still waiting on a response on this.

This is all over that auction site. Especially on the ESEE model.

I don't think this is fair marketing. I feel this is fraudulent.

That's it.

Thanks.
 
Generic listings that don't capture small things like a logo changing that are a rolling change that doesn't cause a SKU change are definitely common across retailers and not an eBay-specific thing, and it happens not just with knives but every industry. If knowing in advance, best bet would be requesting the info from a retailer or picture even if they'll provide it.

In my personal opinion, calling it fraudulent is a bit too far. And it sounds like the seller handled it best they could (after the problem happened anyway--would be interesting to see if they update the listing images).

Hope you find one with the logo though. That one was definitely cooler.
 
I've not bought an Junglas specifically because of This....
I kept thinking I'd find an old one for a good price, but people must hang onto to them
 
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Retailers and most of the sellers on eBay use stock photos. That can be a problem sometimes. Note, that's not a stock photo below.
 
Wait until you buy a "16" kukri" and find the seller meant it's 16" in circumference - spine length, plus edge length, plus handle length x 2, plus width of butt = 16". Tiny "sausage cutter." Seller wouldn't budge. Discover said seller was their customer, not me and they "had to accept their customer's position." Outcome: Feds ordered Discover to reverse the charge; I stopped using Discover; Seller sent me an email calling me a basta_d. Sometimes a knock is even better than a boost. Shortly thereafter, his feedback fell so low even ePrey couldn't stomach him.
 
I agree with your post, stock photos not matching the actual product being sold is a huge pet peeve of mine. It’s sloppy at best and false advertising leaning towards fraud (I.e. intentional) at it’s worst.

This issue of outdated stock photos comes up occasionally on the ESEE forums. I’m sure this occurs with other manufacturers, but the skull ESEE logo was just so much different (better) than the new one that it really changes the aesthetics of the knife. Same issue occurs with their (now retired) Camplore logo. It occurred to me with a PR4 I purchased apparently right when they were transitioning logos and, while I kept the knife, it soured me a little to the company. I equate it to Benchmade replacing the butterfly with a big BENCHMADE.
 
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TradTrapper said:
I agree with your post, stock photos not matching the actual product being sold is a huge pet peeve of mine. It’s sloppy at best and false advertising leaning towards fraud (I.e. intentional) at it’s worst.

This issue of outdated stock photos comes up occasionally on the ESEE forums. I’m sure this occurs with other manufacturers, but the skull ESEE logo was just so much different (better) than the new one that it really changes the aesthetics of the knife. Same issue occurs with their (now retired) Camplore logo. It occurred to me with a PR4 I purchased apparently right when they were transitioning logos and, while I kept the knife, it soured me a little to the company. I equate it to Benchmade replacing the butterfly with a big BENCHMADE.
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Companies spend tons of time and money building Their brands.....
What a dumb move throwing it all away. :/
 
kreole said:
Generic listings that don't capture small things like a logo changing that are a rolling change that doesn't cause a SKU change are definitely common across retailers and not an eBay-specific thing, and it happens not just with knives but every industry. If knowing in advance, best bet would be requesting the info from a retailer or picture even if they'll provide it.

In my personal opinion, calling it fraudulent is a bit too far. And it sounds like the seller handled it best they could (after the problem happened anyway--would be interesting to see if they update the listing images).

Hope you find one with the logo though. That one was definitely cooler.
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I had even attempted to contact a seller of the same knife and picture; but a bit more affordable several times asking them if the knife they were selling had the skull and crossed blades as pictured in their listing. They never replied? So I paid a little more and purchased one from a different seller. That also ended up not being right. These people are well aware of what they are doing.
 
This is one reason why I prefer to patronize established dealers with positive track records, whether they be huge online retailers or smaller operations. I know many disagree, but I consider buying things on the big auction site to be a form of gambling. Sometimes you get what you expected and sometimes you do not.

I also try to avoid P**Pal like the plague. I have had bad experiences with them. By contrast, my credit card companies have always provided first rate service during disputes, especially Discover.
 
Buy from a seller that you can trust: a retailer that you can call and that will answer emails, or private here on the exchange. Might also save you sales tax. That’s what i do, anyways.
 
ferider said:
Buy from a seller that you can trust: a retailer that you can call and that will answer emails, or private here on the exchange. Might also save you sales tax. That’s what i do, anyways.
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If you do a google search for ESEE you’ll still see examples of dealers (not auction sites) with images of ESEEs with the skull logo. I can’t say if you’ll actually get that or the new logo, but it is a bit of an issue with this particular brand. Absolutely great knives, great community of users, but this a bit of an issue for those that care about a particular logo.
 
This is why so many stick with established delears with great reputation and customer service. If you try to save a buck with an unknown you're gambling money and it may often cost you more in the end.
 
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TradTrapper said:
If you do a google search for ESEE you’ll still see examples of dealers (not auction sites) with images of ESEEs with the skull logo. I can’t say if you’ll actually get that or the new logo, but it is a bit of an issue with this particular brand. Absolutely great knives, great community of users, but this a bit of an issue for those that care about a particular logo.
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Understood. I know at least 3 dealers who wouldn't mind me calling them and asking if I can have one with the skull logo .... that's what I meant.
 
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