Not super impressed by Emerson Knives

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Alright, so here's the deal.

I have always heard about Emerson knives and how awesome/tough/tactical/operator they are. When I was younger, and didn't have expensive knives I would look through Mr. Emerson's website and lust over his blades. I always thought they were interesting, particularly with the supposed connection to our SF brethren, and the fact that the 'wave shaped feature' originally came from Emerson (the story Emerson tells on how this came about is suspect, but whatever).

Time wore on, I got out of college, started my career, etc., and as I was making more money, I eventually bought an Emerson blade. I bought a CQC-8, because I like the design, and it doesn't have a tanto or a wonky recurve. Based on the reputation and marketing, I expected it to be a super-tough knife. What I found was less than impressive.

Basically, I don't see anything about this knife to convince me that it is any tougher than my Spyderco Military, BM Rift, Brous T-4, ZT0560, or my Microtech DOC. On top of that, the finish is nowhere near the level of these other knives, and it came with an off center blade and gritty action, and as it has worn in, it has developed significant lock-rock. If I were forced to use one of these knives as a weapon, I certainly wouldn't choose the Emerson. However, I do love the look and feel of the CQC-8. Just seems poorly executed.

So this brings us to the questions: Why are Emerson knives regarded as such tough, hard-use blades? Is mine an anomaly, and the others are all just that much better? Do any of you truly feel that they are tougher than ZT, Cold Steel, Brous, Microtech, etc?

One final note - I am a Marine, and I do use my knives in the field, so I'm not just cutting tape and whining that my knife isn't hard-use. I actually thump them pretty good.
 
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I was curious so I looked on the Emerson site and then Googled, but I can't find the specific origin story of the Wave feature, what is it?

I found there was disastrous helicopter crash in '99 that prompted some Emerson collabs, but that was after the Wave came into use.
 
I was curious so I looked on the Emerson site and then Googled, but I can't find the specific origin story of the Wave feature, what is it?

I found there was disastrous helicopter crash in '99 that prompted some Emerson collabs, but that was after the Wave came into use.

Link to explain said feature.
Link to origin.
Link to Ernies explanation (starts at 27 min)
 
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Link to Ernies explanation (starts at 27 min)

That's exactly what I was talking about. It seems a bit dubious that a special forces operator is requesting some sort of stop on the spine of a folding knife to keep things from sliding down it into his hand.

If you're an operator, and you're reduced to using a folding knife in a situation like that, you're not doing your job right and your team has let you down.

Thanks for finding all of the explanations, by the way.
 
I bought one a while back. Lasted about a week before I flipped it. It just wasn't worth the cost for what it was -to me-.

I'm also in the military. We generally use Spydercos and Benchmades to cut, Leatherman and Gerber MT's for most everything else. In all honesty, the MT's get most the hard use.
 
I bought one a while back. Lasted about a week before I flipped it. It just wasn't worth the cost for what it was -to me-.

I'm also in the military. We generally use Spydercos and Benchmades to cut, Leatherman and Gerber MT's for most everything else. In all honesty, the MT's get most the hard use.

That is absolutely true. Our MTs get straight thrashed. I always have my Leatherman Wave riding on my plate carrier.

I might flip mine eventually. I really do like the shape and appearance though. I wish I could love it.
 
I'd would whole heartedly trust the durability of the KAI/Emerson collaborations instead of Emersons themselves. Not really into the whole Emerson design truly and I will never experience one ever now that KAI will be making them.

Look to the ZT 620CF or ZT 620 if you still want to give Emerson a try. The real Emerson knives may be tough I've no idea honestly, but I couldn't help but notice how uninspiring/bland the materials were. They honestly did not look worth the price to me, still don't.

What I feel is disappointing is that Ernie feels like KAI should be proud to be working with him, and he seems to have a very high opinion of himself . He should realize that KAI have won many awards not to mention "Knife of The Year" for three times in a row. A little humility wouldn't hurt, since it's a collaboration.

As to your post about not being impressed, you shouldn't be....you're not alone. A ZT, Spy, or BM are far more trustworthy.
 
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I think they were amazing knives 20 years ago when they brought actual innovation to the table. But now with regular everyday $200 production knives having titanium frame locks and super steels and ball bearing pivots and flippers, they seem a little stale, outdated and overpriced. This is purely my opinion, don't hang me for it.
 
That is rich! Please elaborate.

You think a folding knife is the best tool for the job in a situation where you're applying enough force that something, be it an opponents blade, material you're cutting, etc., is going to have the potential to slide down the spine of your blade and injure you?

If it's something you're cutting, then you're probably using the wrong tool.

If the intention is to catch an opponent's blade, then something else is wrong. And by that I mean if you're in a knife fight using a folding blade everything has gone absolutely wrong.
 
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I'd would whole heartedly trust the durability of the KAI/Emerson collaborations instead of Emersons themselves. Not really into the whole Emerson design truly and I will never experience one ever now that KAI will be making them.

Look to the ZT 620CF or ZT 620 if you still want to give Emerson a try. The real Emerson knives may be tough I've no idea honestly, but I couldn't help but notice how uninspiring/bland the materials were. They honestly did not look worth the price to me, still don't.

What I feel is disappointing is that Ernie feels like KAI should be proud to be working with him, and he seems to have a very high opinion of himself . He should realize that KAI have won many awards not to mention "Knife of The Year" for three times in a row. A little humility wouldn't hurt, since it's a collaboration.

As to your post about not being impressed, you shouldn't be....you're not alone. A ZT, Spy, or BM are far more trustworthy.

I agree. I'm also intrigued by the Kershaw/Emerson colabs. At 30-40 bucks a pop, those seem like they might be worth it. Lower grade steel, but finish will probably be better.
 
I think they were amazing knives 20 years ago when they brought actual innovation to the table. But now with regular everyday $200 production knives having titanium frame locks and super steels and ball bearing pivots and flippers, they seem a little stale, outdated and overpriced. This is purely my opinion, don't hang me for it.

You're probably right on that. I just can't get past the fact that MSRP is the same on a Brous T-4 and a CQC-8. One has ball bearings, D2 steel, strong liner lock, flipper, and impeccable fit and finish. The other is 154CM, weaker liner lock, no bearings, and rough cut finish.
 
I don't and have never owned an Emerson so can't comment much more but, whatever else may be said... IF what Emerson said in that vid link about not advertising in 10 years is really, honestly true (not saying it is) that's pretty impressive, given their sales record.
 
I've only had one Emerson - a CQC-7. I got it mainly to try out the wave opening (which works well). The design wasn't really for me though, so I traded it before putting it to any real use. So I can't speak for how "hard use" it is. It definitely felt very sturdy though. Thick, grippy slabs of G10 for the handles. Full titanium liners and liner lock (good thickness on those too). Two detents (one on either side of the blade) to hold the blade closed and guide its opening. And the chisel-ground tanto blade kept the full thickness of the blade stock for most of the blade.
 
I've only had one Emerson - a CQC-7. I got it mainly to try out the wave opening (which works well). The design wasn't really for me though, so I traded it before putting it to any real use. So I can't speak for how "hard use" it is. It definitely felt very sturdy though. Thick, grippy slabs of G10 for the handles. Full titanium liners and liner lock (good thickness on those too). Two detents (one on either side of the blade) to hold the blade closed and guide its opening. And the chisel-ground tanto blade kept the full thickness of the blade stock for most of the blade.

How was the in-handle retention on that blade? That's another issue I have with mine. Thought it was weird, especially with the dual detent.
 
The blade retention while closed was good. That blade wasn't going anywhere without a deliberate effort to move it. My CQC-7, at least, wasn't "flickable". It could be guided open easily enough with the thumb disc, but it definitely wasn't the nearly zero friction you might see on some other knives (where the blade just swings around freely with the lock disengaged). Using the wave feature, though, opening time was effectively nil. Lock-up was also very solid. The titanium liner lock can be a bit sticky at first, but it should smooth out as it wears in.
 
The blade retention while closed was good. That blade wasn't going anywhere without a deliberate effort to move it. My CQC-7, at least, wasn't "flickable". It could be guided open easily enough with the thumb disc, but it definitely wasn't the nearly zero friction you might see on some other knives (where the blade just swings around freely with the lock disengaged). Using the wave feature, though, opening time was effectively nil. Lock-up was also very solid. The titanium liner lock can be a bit sticky at first, but it should smooth out as it wears in.

Yeah the in-handle retention on mine is extremely low. I tightened the pivot further to help keep it closed.
 
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