Now I'm not sure what a "hard use" folding knife is...

I don't see why people flick their knives so much. Regardless of materials, quality or *cough cough* cost, its metal on metal and it will wear down. Period. End of discussion.

I flick mine rarely if ever. The rest of the time I just open and close them normally for use. Hard use is for fixed blades.
 
I use to flick knives, and induced vertical blade-play in many of them.
The weren't "broken" in that the lock still functioned and the edge still cut, but many people would not have liked the wiggliness of them.

I should mention that none of them were liner or frame locks. Worse than calling a pocket knife a hard use tool is calling it that when it has those locks. Those are the weakest locks as shown in any testing, plus they wear without much compensation for it and are very sensitive to fit. Any decent ratchet will hold more torque than a liner or frame lock, so I don't consider them to be useful for anything beyond cutting. Of course, anything beyond cutting isn't really what a folding knife is for anyway.
 
I should mention that none of them were liner or frame locks. Worse than calling a pocket knife a hard use tool is calling it that when it has those locks. Those are the weakest locks as shown in any testing, plus they wear without much compensation for it and are very sensitive to fit. Any decent ratchet will hold more torque than a liner or frame lock, so I don't consider them to be useful for anything beyond cutting. Of course, anything beyond cutting isn't really what a folding knife is for anyway.

Lock-backs developed play as well.
That blade slamming into the lock-bar really does a number over time.
They still worked though.:)
 
The only hard use folding knives I've seen are either Friction folders....or a fixed blade...but that's not a folder.

You want something that you can beat on? Don't get something with moving parts. Moving parts make something complexer. Any level up in complexity adds possible points of failure.

The only folding knives that don't fail are the ones that aren't folding knives.....and even some of those fail.
 
Ok, I'll post this, then I'm out. A hard use folder is a knife that you are willing to allow to become worn and damaged as you use it and that you feel will stand up against that wear and tear. It doesn't have to be a $300+ knife. The fact of the matter is that what most knife companies that make "hard use" folders stipulate that what they define as hard use voids their warranty, with few exceptions such as ESEE Knives, but they primarily deal in fixed blades. As such, all of our definitions are varied based on our own value system we place on our knives. Some people buy the $300+ knives just to show them off. Stabman just admitted to that himself. It's the knife equivalent to driving a Lamborghini not for it's speed or quality of manufacturing, but to show that you can afford one. Odds are you'll never race that car in fear of damaging it.Such it true for high dollar, "Hard use" knives like the CRKs, Striders, etc.

But I guess the real point here is, if you have or are considering the purchase of a knife at that price point you should know enough about knives to already have your own ideas and opinions of why you should or should not buy the knife. I don't feel the need to ask questions like this because I know exactly what I want and expect out of a knife at each price point, and I have come to my own conclusion that knives at that price are not what I personally consider to be worthy of the title "hard use", though they may be capable of it their cost does not support the philosophy. I'm not rich. I can't afford to replace a knife of a very high cost should something happen to it. Like the old saying goes, "The best knife in the world is the one that you have when you need it." So the $50 knife that is always with me, that I use every day is more VALUABLE to me than a $500 knife at home in a safe.
 
Again, if you recall, the very last sentence of the original paragraph was, "Or are you just carrying a high end knife to boast to your buddies that you have one?" In which the only word you typed in response was, "Yes." I can't read your mind to determine what you were answering yes to.
 
Again, if you recall, the very last sentence of the original paragraph was, "Or are you just carrying a high end knife to boast to your buddies that you have one?" In which the only word you typed in response was, "Yes." I can't read your mind to determine what you were answering yes to.

Read again.
THIS is what I quoted:

While your CRKs, Striders, and ZTs are well made of fine materials, are you really willing to risk damaging it or losing it when there are many lower cost options to choose from?

To which I replied, "yes."

Go to page 3 and look again.;)
 
Oh my god I am not getting into another argument online, especially with a man who keeps winking at me. Life is too short for this mess. Have fun pissing your money away on excessively costly knives and best of luck to you.
 
What I find interesting is how some people claim to know the ONE TRUE definition of "hard use". As if there is only one definition. As if they are saying "My definition is RIGHT and every other definition is WRONG". Personally, I consider the term "hard use" to be entirely subjective, a matter of personal opinion. And when something is entirely subjective, then no one can be wrong.

Or perhaps I missed something. Has someone here on Bladeforms written the universally accepted glossary of terms and definitions for the world of knives? Has someone on this forum been declared the SUPREME AUTHORITY on knives and their proper use?

I always find interesting when people say "You're wrong to use YOUR knife for that task". If a person wants to use a folding knife to perform a particular task, and if that knife performs that task safely and effectively, who are you to tell them that they are wrong to do so. Or is it just a compulsion to pass judgment on others and proclaim "My way is right and your way is wrong", or "I'm smarter than you because I know the proper way to use a knife and you don't"?
 
Oh my god I am not getting into another argument online, especially with a man who keeps winking at me. Life is too short for this mess. Have fun pissing your money away on excessively costly knives and best of luck to you.

Newb is a troll.
How strange is that?:D

Coming to a knife forum and berating people for "wasting money on knives"...the definition of pointlessness...and trolling.
 
Buddy, apart from being a martial arts instructor, I'm also a custom knife maker. I know what it cost to make a knife, a lot better than you I'll bet. The only reason I have an account on here is to trade for a knife. What I meant by that is that high dollar folders like that do not have functional value. I'm just not comfortable with the fact that a $400 knife will fall out of a pocket the same a $10 knife. I have other things I have to use my money for other than knives, in which I can only use one at a time anyway. I like knives, but I don't have a hoard of knives I don't use. I buy one if it severs a purpose. Not just because I want it. And if you ask me, a troll is a person who spends way too much time on things like this... and is normally the first to call someone a troll.
 
Sir, you wink too much for a grown man. As a matter of fact, you should should come to the knife fighting seminar I'm hosting in conjunction with Cold Steel Knives and Snake Blocker here soon. Might help with the whole winking and trolling problem.
 
Sir, you wink too much for a grown man. As a matter of fact, you should should come to the knife fighting seminar I'm hosting in conjunction with Cold Steel Knives and Snake Blocker here soon. Might help with the whole winking and trolling problem.

Net threats. Trolling 101.
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No threat. I'd just like to see someone put up or shut up for a change. And maybe stop winking like a child. I'll even make sure you get in for free. If you can take time from your security duties that is. Hope to see you there.
 
No threat. I'd just like to see someone put up or shut up for a change. And maybe stop winking like a child. I'll even make sure you get in for free. If you can take time from your security duties that is. Hope to see you there.

Whatever, "tough guy."
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