O-1 vs 1095 for heavy survival knifes??

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I'm looking to built two - one about the size of Ontario SP43 and the other slightlhy larger than an ESEE Junglas. I will send out for professional HT and grinding is not an issue. Assuming both are heat treated correctly, is one any tougher than the other? Or can one be a little harder at the same toughness? Both would be 3/16" stock.
 
I've been looking at the CS Trailmaster in O-1 and the BK 7 in 1095. What are the cons of O-1?
 
I find them to be similar. I think 1095 might be slightly easier to sharpen. But that could also be in my head. They are pretty tried and true steels. Nothing fancy, but they both work.
 
O1 will have more edge holding but it won't be life changing. It really depends who is heat treating it and what they decide to do.
 
I made a few knives from scratch a while back from Starrett O1 precision ground stock. It was very well annealed for easier grinding and very easy to great treat myself with a torch, a few bricks, and a gallon of used motor oil. They have held up great! I believe O1 is easier to heat treat yourself. As far as performance I've always considered them the same steel. I do sightly prefer O1 but I think they are close enough where variances in heat treat edge out any slight performance in toughness or edge holding.
 
O1 has a little alloying which slightly increases its potential to get a fine grained tough knife. Although 1095 lacks this alloying, it usually performs so close you might not notice. This comes down to experience with O1 or 1095 and geometry. Slight differences in either will put one KNIFE ahead of another. S7 or INFI are really easy to sharpen and are routinely put through tremendous amounts of abuse, which is why I personally prefer them in this size knife. The additional corrosion resistance is a plus too.
 
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O1 has a little alloying which increases its potential to get a fine grained tough knife. Although 1095 lacks this alloying, it usually performs so close you might not notice. This comes down to experience with O1 or 1095 and geometry. Slight differences in either will put one KNIFE ahead of another. S7 or INFI are really easy to sharpen and are routinely put through tremendous amounts of abuse, which is why I personally prefer them in this size knife. The additional corrosion resistance is a plus too.

Exactly,

I must say, if you want more toughness on a big knife. Having the high amounts of carbon in 1095 and 01 is counterproductive

The wear resistant carbides produced with the excess carbon reduce the toughness.

That's why swords and axes aren't made from 1095 and 01

Something like a 1060 would be better for a tough blade that is bigger then a junglas.

Add chromium and you get 5160 which has better hardening. You can get finer grain at the same hardness if ht properly which means more toughness then 1060 but its not going to be miracle steel.

S7 has more alloying and costs more and is not as common so you don't find a lot of makers that are experienced enough to take advantage of the potential for the increased cost.

INFI is proprietary so no access for your custom blade.

It really all depends on what you want the final HRC at and what the use of the knife is.

I'd rock a 01 chopper at higher hardness since the edge holding would be rad. But if you hit the ground, rocks or overstress the blade it is more likely to chip and break, everything is cost to benefit

No free lunches

No magic steels.

Just a list of gains to losses that suit ones preferences
 
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