O.T. Supreme Court kills individual property rights...

This is terrible. I understand the need for progress, especially in an economically stagnating nation, but this goes too far. To say that I must leave my property because a company wants to put a factory here!?! There goes freedom. :mad:

Nam
 
Bobwhite said:
You don't really own your property anymore. It is like you just pay rent.
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Exactly right. they have whittling away private property rights for years. Property taxes levied by the state a city and county were the first assault. Imminent domain and the endangered species are the next.This is just the icing on the cake. There will have to be an uprising by the citizenry in this country or the lawyers, politicians and courts are going to take this country from us. Read the mission statement of the ACLU sometime and then look at the way they have moved this country and you will get an inkling of what is going on. Grab your ass and hang on!
Terry
 
hollowdweller said:
I see a frightening trend in our country where what is good for business is what is good for the country.
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The sad/scary thing is that business often doesn't know what's good for business. I've seen a few nice, shiney shopping centers with cool new pretty stores / restaurants where after 6 months or so, one or more pretty stores shut down. And it wasn't like the store seemed to be doing something patently stupid. Meanwhile there are several formerly nice shopping centers that are all but abandoned. And look at business news and think back: New Coke, CueCat, the Edsel. Not every business venture works out, even well-intentioned ones.

I guess what I'm ranting about is that this ruling seems to follow the "ends justify the means" school of though. It's bad enough to take a neighborhood because commercial use will be for the greater good. It'll be terribly evil when these venture don't work out, and you don't even get the ends that were supposed to justify the means.
 
FallingKnife said:
The sad/scary thing is that business often doesn't know what's good for business. I've seen a few nice, shiney shopping centers with cool new pretty stores / restaurants where after 6 months or so, one or more pretty stores shut down. And it wasn't like the store seemed to be doing something patently stupid. Meanwhile there are several formerly nice shopping centers that are all but abandoned. And look at business news and think back: New Coke, CueCat, the Edsel. Not every business venture works out, even well-intentioned ones.

I guess what I'm ranting about is that this ruling seems to follow the "ends justify the means" school of though. It's bad enough to take a neighborhood because commercial use will be for the greater good. It'll be terribly evil when these venture don't work out, and you don't even get the ends that were supposed to justify the means.
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Even worse is businesses that extort the community out of land and incentives to locate there, then move there and when the incentives run out and they would have to pay taxes they move on.
 
The mayor of New London is acting like he just invented the fountain of youth.

Analysts are indicating the individual states (Republic for which it stands) will have to enact appropriate guidelines to restrict/prohibit this seizure from being used on a wide-spread basis.

Poor people, minorities, disenfranchised, folks without lawyers, basically, those without "clout," will be most affected by this week's ruling.

Cynically, I see a huge potential for rampant corruption coming into play, as those who want a site and HAVE money go after those who HAVE the site, but little money.

Justice O'Conner was very plain-spoken.

Government seizure is not a good thing, generally speaking, for the longevity of governments.


Peace.
 
The Texas legislature is already trying to introduce bills to get a handle on this. I just hope it's the conservative versions that make it through. The municipality's lobbyists are already on the move.
 
The power of eminent domain is hardly new. It's been part of our law from the beginning of our states and nation and dates back to ancient English law (when all the land belonged to the King). What is relatively new is using it to allow private development.

What is also relatively new is the idea that all your income belongs to the governments, and they decide how much you get to keep. :rolleyes:

We have a 30% vacancy rate on commercial property in our area. Yet, the new commercial space keeps going up. The developers and builders must be making money. :confused:

Write your state rep and senator TODAY!
 
tsf said:
The Texas legislature is already trying to introduce bills to get a handle on this. I just hope it's the conservative versions that make it through. The municipality's lobbyists are already on the move.
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Well, last year they decided to use taxes collected for roads to build other crap, then plan to tax us again by making us pay tolls to use the roads our tax money was already collected for.

They have to do SOMETHING to top that this year, so don't pretend like you didn't see it coming.
 
I found it interesting the Office of the Land Commisioner brings in 500 million dollars a year in revenue that is by law earmarked for the school budget. Yet with all the property taxes added to it, we need more money for schools. I wish they would at least use a little Vaseline.
 
Since the court has ruled that the home-"owners" were in error in believing that they were the true owners of the properties, surely it is also an error that they have been paying property taxes on something that they don't actually own?

In addition to "fair" market value, these people should also receive a full refund of all property taxes they have paid, complete with accumulated compound interest.

Of course, the refund should Not be taxed as "income". Does one pay taxes upon the return of stolen property?
 
hollowdweller said:
Esav,

the more moderate members (there are no liberals on the Supreme Court now)
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I have to respectfully disagree with this. Ginsburg is former ACLU. Stevens in writing the majority opinion of the death penalty for under 17 said it's ok to
look to other countries for guidence. If that's not a liberal then what is? I am
and have always been opposed to the cavalier use of eminent domain, it should
only be used under the most extraordinary circumstances. That does not include
making your political buddies rich or lining your own pocket.
 
Ginsburg is effectively the Chief Justice at this point.
I heard one of the property owners in the case on the news saying none of the owners involved have any intention of leaving their property. I say good for them and maybe they need some company.
 
Wouldn't you hate to be the police officer that has to drag a 80 year old man and women out of their homes in front of a couple hundred cameras. That will be some bad press for all of this mess. I hope that someone stages a huge sit in on the day when everyone is supposed to go. I know I wouldn't leave without them dragging me out kicking and screaming.
 
Mark Nelson said:
Wouldn't you hate to be the police officer that has to drag a 80 year old man and women out of their homes in front of a couple hundred cameras.
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We should feel sorry for him because he doesn't have the guts to say no?
 
Mark Nelson said:
Wouldn't you hate to be the police officer that has to drag a 80 year old man and women out of their homes in front of a couple hundred cameras. That will be some bad press for all of this mess. I hope that someone stages a huge sit in on the day when everyone is supposed to go. I know I wouldn't leave without them dragging me out kicking and screaming.
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The state won't allow reporters or cameras anywhere near such an occurence. The kicking and screaming landowner will be tasered into submission or killed. Just watch and see. You don't defy the state and get away with it. There are plenty of enforcers who will gladly follow their orders without conscience.

My .02

Ice
 
Green Ice said:
The state won't allow reporters or cameras anywhere near such an occurence. The kicking and screaming landowner will be tasered into submission or killed. Just watch and see. You don't defy the state and get away with it. There are plenty of enforcers who will gladly follow their orders without conscience.

My .02

Ice
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Damn, life must be cheap down on the Connecticutt River.
 
Let me see if I got this right... The liberals are for big business and the conservatives all stick up for the rights of the little guy? When did I step through the looking glass? :confused:
 
Does this remind anyone of Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker's Guide through the Galaxy? Arthurs hosue was propossed to be bulldozered as well....

I'm telling you, we're having it coming. Actually, it might not be such a bad idea if someone was to whipe this planet out of the universe.

Keno
 
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