Obsolete Knives

Dirks/daggers/pig stickers aren't obsolete in Hawaii & NZ
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marcinek said:
So by that argument slipjoints are also outmoded?

By the way, a barrel knife is, in essence a friction folder (where ones hand is replaced by the barrel). And those are far from obsolete by any definition.
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I think both slip joints and friction folders are incomparable to a barrel knife...

Slip joints are not by design attempting to have a true locking mechanism. They only resist being closed to any substantial degree in one direction along the axis in which they open. They also are still manufactured and distributed. And in no way are obscure to the majority of people.

Regarding Friction folders. The most advanced friction knives I have seen, have at most a bail on the end that can be used to keep them in a closed and locked position. Whereas with a barrel knife, the barrel can keep it locked in both an open position and in a closed position. And it's ability to be secured in either position is intrinsic to the design and not dependent on an outside force. It would be like saying that a liner lock is a just a friction folder that uses a bar instead of your hand to keep it secure. What makes a friction folder what it is, is that there is no part intrinsic to it's design that keeps it secured in an open position. That is it's defining aspect.

The barrel knife is kind of in it's own category. And while the average person could easily obtain a slip joint or friction knife, and know how to use it. If you just showed them a barrel knife in closed position they probably wouldn't even recognize it as a knife at first. If you showed it to them in an open position they might not even think that it is designed to break down and stow within itself. The core purpose is to have the strength of a fixed blade (a sloyd knife) with the stow-ability of a pocket knife when not in use. And today we have less involved and stronger means of accomplishing that through even our simplest locking folders. So for it's reason for being it is outmoded. It is relatively obscure as well (again it's likely just us collectors who are aware of them and would probably all like to have one). And it is out of manufacture (as far as I can tell at least...one thing this topic has shown me is that there is usually at least one minor and equally obscure exception to knives that are no longer made in general). So it really does fit all the perimeters for being obsolete.
 
Helleri said:
I think...
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More pics and descriptions of "obsolete" knives please. Lets not get this thread shut down with a pointed object measuring contest please.

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Shuriken - literally: "sword hidden in user's hand"

Used mainly as a secondary weapon by samurai, made from blades, coins, nails etc. Now are outlawed in some countries like Canada, Germany, U.K.
While some random dude, some place, is probably throwing these at a target, they do not hold as vital of a role in warfare as they did when they were invented.

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Leftytwogunz said:
Used mainly as a secondary weapon by samurai, made from blades, coins, nails etc. Now are outlawed in some countries like Canada, Germany, U.K.
While some random dude, some place, is probably throwing these at a target, they do not hold as vital of a role in warfare as they did when they were invented.
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Heck, even back then they weren't really considered a vital tool of warfare. They were considered a distraction device, not intended to kill, and were more likely to be used by ninjas than by samurais.
 
This is a left hand dagger. Usually used for parrying, while fighting with a rapier in your main hand. During times before guns had really hit the market.
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Dr Heelhook said:
This is a left hand dagger. Usually used for parrying, while fighting with a rapier in your main hand. During times before guns had really hit the market.
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The happiest man in the history of the world = The first man to wield a sword in one hand and a pistol in the other.
 
Okay and with that, I got another one for ya all:

The Elgin Cutlass Pistol.
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So firstly. Not made any more (of course). More importantly. It can't work independently of the pistol. And now that we have guns that can fire multiple shots. the point of this (to cover you defensively between reloads) is now lost. Especially since it wasn't a very good design to begin with. Given the added weight and the top heavy nature it gave the pistol. And it's definitely obscure. it almost looks like something out of a fantasy game.
 
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Somebody said the adrenaline released while the hog struggles ruines the meat. Don't know if it's true never pinned an animal down like that.
 
Sosa said:
Somebody said the adrenaline released while the hog struggles ruines the meat. Don't know if it's true never pinned an animal down like that.
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Just an interesting fact, this is the opposite of what old British thought, when they would release their bulldogs on a bull, before sacrificing it. At one time, it was illegal to butcher a bull without its meat having been "tenderized" first by baiting it.

I've never heard any such hog hunter claiming that. Besides, there are many parts in this world where domestic hogs are killed by cutting the jugular and letting them bleed out. That would spil the meat even more? It's tradition, but I would personally prefer a quicker death, by bullet in the head or similar, when possible. A stab in the heart is prefferable as well, to me. But these are personal opinions, coming from someone that doesn't have anything against hunting per-se. I cringe more when I see certain terrier men letting foxes broken alive to bits by dogs, once pulled out of their den, instead of putting them out of their misery.

As for the hog hunting with knives and dogs, many knife types are used. Your typical texan or argentine may not use a dagger. But I can see why some would prefer that design.
 
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Sosa said:
Somebody said the adrenaline released while the hog struggles ruines the meat. Don't know if it's true never pinned an animal down like that.
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If that were true most animals harvested through hunting would be ruined.
 
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