oddball knife

[haatsie]

A few years ago I inherited a Daniel Boone commemorative knife. It's in its original case, with a coin. The odd part is that the blade says " W.F.Cody, Buffalo Bill, 1846-1917".
The base of the blade says "S.W. CUT, BB2, USA"
The handle has a brass image of Daniel Boone.
Is this unusual and is it worth anything?

 

[ea42]

Sounds like someone got some blades mixed up. Just to be sure, the Buffalo Bill knife had black handles with a round brass shield that had an imager of BB's head. The Daniel Boone knife had red handles with a standing image of Daniel Boone. Coin images matched the shields. I'm not sure that it's worth any more than a correct model, in fact it may be worth less since the parts are wrong.

Eric

 

[haatsie]

Everything is Daniel Boone but the blade. I think it's sort of strange!

 

[koldgold]

Sounds like someone got some blades mixed up. Just to be sure, the Buffalo Bill knife had black handles with a round brass shield that had an imager of BB's head. The Daniel Boone knife had red handles with a standing image of Daniel Boone. Coin images matched the shields. I'm not sure that it's worth any more than a correct model, in fact it may be worth less since the parts are wrong.

Eric

I'm with Eric on this one, when he says: "I'm not sure that it's worth any more than a correct model, in fact it may be worth less since the parts are wrong."
I have this "Schrade Old Timer" made before 1973; It has an 881 stamped blade. The blade is the same as an 8OT blade with the 881 stamping... Ken

 

[Bob W]

in fact it may be worth less since the parts are wrong.

I see sellers frequently advertising knives as "factory error" and asking a premium price. In my experience though, they rarely get a premium. One reason, there are just so darned many of them. Schrade, it seems, was always mix-and-matching parts.

 

[koldgold]

I see sellers frequently advertising knives as "factory error" and asking a premium price. In my experience though, they rarely get a premium. One reason, there are just so darned many of them. Schrade, it seems, was always mix-and-matching parts.

I like my 8OT Old Timer, with the 881 blade. Same knife, same blade, just wrong stamp on rear of main blade.

This came up on another post, about a Buck 301 made by Cumillus.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...ny-help-with-this-Buck-301?highlight=301+buck

 

[Codger_64]

Error knives can be fun for some of us. And for some they are avoided like the plague. Same with coins and stamps and other things people collect. I guess I am among those who find them interesting. Like the "sanitary" XT7b perfect other than having no tang stamp, and the XT7b with the handle mounted upside down. Or the blade depending on your perspective. A Scrimshawless 502SC or 205SC.

 

[Bob W]

I have a mini-collection of End-Of-Days knives; practically anything that fit was snapped together in the final weeks of the business. It also seems that error knives were a long-standing tradition at Schrade long before that period.

 

[Codger_64]

I seem to remember (perhaps incorrectly) that those "final weeks" was actually from early/mid July though October, about three months. Maybe Eric or someone else remembers exactly.

 

[lrv]

The final notice to the Staff was in July 2004. Look at the HR persons name
http://www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us/articles/Notice.pdf
Auction in October
http://www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us/articles/Imperial Schrade Auction.pdf

 

[koldgold]

Thank You Irv for your input.
Bob, could you post some “end of day knives.”I’m interested in the history of Schrade.
I only started to collect the 2000 to 2004 knives when I found, the factory had closed down.

The knives Schrade had made in China were very well made.
It looks like they could have been looking at this option, to reduce production costs.
The SQ3 knives could have been a good user at a competitive price, if Schrade had them made in China.

Irv, do you know anything about Schrade looking to have parts, or knives made in China.
Schrade's tins and boxes were being made in China, most sellers took the "made in China" stickers off the tins; before trying to sell them.

I have never seen another Badger like this one. Made in China by Schrade for their 100th Annaversory.

Did Schrade make an 8OT 100th Annaversory knife like this 34OT in a tin?

 

[Codger_64]

Good questions. Back in the days of yore, I seem to remember us attempting to list the 100th anniversary knives which reached production, those which were distributed and those which were stillborn. I'm not sure that we ever got it all compiled and straightend out. The anniversary issues was not one program but several. And surely they had a schedule set for the rollout of preproduction, production and distribution, sequential or overlapping. Let's see if I can recall them.

BEM - the limited edition birdseye maple covered set and singles.
SH3CPANN - lower tier Lightweight anniversary in a clampack
The A34OT - the anniversary 34OT in tins in bulk and clampack, A94CPT pickbone trapper in tin and the Badger ASX4CPT in the tin.
The Classics - Blue ropecut bone in cigar boxes, ACB80, ACB296, ACB25, ACB72, all with cattleman shield and etch
DS- the Dual Shield program which added the oval coined anniversary shield to several patterns including the 897UH and 152OT.

And then the ones seen but not advertised like the 100th anniversary wood handled 165OT pattern. There were more but I can't name them right off. Some were sent out in dealer sets, some went out as singles, some only emerged from auction in minor amounts and samples like the 152/502 scrimless scrims with banner shields..A centennial photosample of a D'Holder SDH05 was made, but I've never seen one. And there waas the diamond bowie knife.

 

[koldgold]

Codger, would any of the paper-work from Schrade still exsist, regarding thier dealings with China.

 

[Bob W]

Thank You Irv for your input.
Bob, could you post some “end of day knives.”I’m interested in the history of Schrade.
I only started to collect the 2000 to 2004 knives when I found, the factory had closed down.

I have a few error knives, some of which are certainly from the final weeks and others are older or unknown. Unfortunately I'm out of the country and away from the collection at the moment (in fact I'm in the Hunter Valley, NSW for fast two-day job) and can only post a couple of pictures that I've already uploaded to photobucket.

14OT with unfinished wood handle.

This one's an error knife from many decades ago, a Primble-packaged Old Timer with a Craftsman blade:

Perhaps the most common end-of-days mix-matching involved trapper model parts from various OT and UH knives, like the two lower knives in this picture:

Here's one that could have been from 2004 or could be older, SC blades on OT handles.

 

[koldgold]

Hi Bob, you are about two hours North from my home.
Your quote; "This one's an error knife from many decades ago, a Primble-packaged Old Timer with a Craftsman blade:"
Is that Primble a stamped 935 on the rear of the main blade. (8OT)... Ken

 

[koldgold]

I have just found a "Old Timer. Trapper" "Jigged Bone Handles" "Heritage Schrade+ U.S.A. blade stamp, with H194 stamped on the back of the main blade"
Dose this knife sound strange? I think so! When it has a "100th Anniversary" let into the handles...

 

[Codger_64]

Codger, would any of the paper-work from Schrade still exsist, regarding thier dealings with China.

Could it exist? Probably so. But for the most part I did not see any in the portions to which I had access. There may well be more that I have not seen held by others from different sources, running later into the company's final years. I/we have avoided revealing business dealings and financial matters with existant companies and living persons, as much as possible. But even without the latter days records, we are blessed to have had access to all that we have. It is rare indeed for collectors of knives to have such unprescedented access to original materials for research.

 

[koldgold]

Codger, the only reason I ask such a question is; the knives made in China for Schrade, were a much better knives, than the knives made later by the other company.

 

[Codger_64]

Well I believe there were Badgers made in Taiwan, and I have a serrated Imperial TPR handled knife made in Taiwan and it is great, use it all the time. And I believe the TPR Safe-T-Grip handle molding was moved briefly from here t oIreland and then moved to China, molded handles returned t oEllenville for assembly and finish. Mayb Eric or Larry (lrv) can tell you more specificly. I do know that some box and CP card printing was done in China near the end. And maybe some of the Tough Tools were made there. My memory is fuzzy on that aspect of the later years.

 

[Bob W]

Your quote; "This one's an error knife from many decades ago, a Primble-packaged Old Timer with a Craftsman blade:"
Is that Primble a stamped 935 on the rear of the main blade. (8OT)... Ken

Had to get back home and look at it in order to answer that question... The knife has a Primble box, Primble blade etch, but a Craftsman tang stamp, "Craftsman USA 9523". There is not a 935 like you would find on a Primble blade.

Hi Bob, you are about two hours North from my home.

There are a few Aussie Schrade collectors I'd like to meet for a pint, but it's difficult to know with any advance when I'm going to be where. On this trip spent a few nights in Warwick Farm, a week or so in Mudgee, an afternoon in Wollongong, a couple days at Jenolan, one night at the Crown Plaza in the Hunter, and one night at a rented house in an olive grove outside Singleton. Wheh!