Of sheep, wolves and sheepdogs

[SilverFoxKnows]

http://www.killology.com/sheep_dog.htm

It's worth the read.

Frank

 

[moonwilson]

Great article! It's an interesting, if overly simplistic, way of looking at things. Thanks!

 

[Ad Astra]

An excellent read. Bookmarked.

Thanks, Frank.


Mike

 

[BruiseLeee]

To paraphrase Uncle Bill...

What does this have to do with Parkour? ... Everything.

 

[wildmanh]

To paraphrase Uncle Bill...

What does this have to do with Parkour? ... Everything.

Bruise, I almost fell out of my chair reading your post! Good stuff!!

Heber

 

[sams]

BruiseLeee, you are a breath of fresh air.

Nice to see you again.

Sam S.

 

[Grob]

What about the llamas? Kind of like sheep dogs but bigger less cute and more prone to spit? I guess there are some big ugly saliva hurling cops out there who also make a quality sweater, I havn't met any yet (lots that only lack the sweater requirment though).

 

[Steely_Gunz]

Bruise, buddy, you've been missed
Welcome back:thumbup:

 

[wato]

Kind of like sheep dogs but bigger less cute and more prone to spit? QUOTE]

I resemble that remark :grumpy:

 

[MORIMOTOM]

Great article! It's an interesting, if overly simplistic, way of looking at things. Thanks!

that is only an exerpt.

read "on killing", and "on combat", by col. dave grossman for a more complete view.

 

[C.S. Graves]

Reminds me of a similar, albeit more scatalogical analogy from that Go Team America movie.

 

[Rich_S]

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Or the sheepdog, so to speak.

 

[kronckew]

outside of the analogy, sheepdogs are wolves, the smarter ones who have figured out it is better to live with us than to do all that hunting and killing stuff. they have adapted so much to our lives that they are the most varied species on the planet and as widely distributed as humans. just consider a min-yorkie and a bull mastiff are the same species and can still easily interbreed (you do need the female of the pair to be the mastiff for obvious reasons). they can also interbreed with wolves.

back into the analogy; who watches the watchers? i'll reply with another: set a thief to catch a thief.

 

[wato]

back into the analogy; who watches the watchers? i'll reply with another: set a thief to catch a thief.

Which still leaves our lives & fortunes at the mercy of thieves. One has to suspect that the old-timers had the right idea when they instituted state religions. Granted, the old knights were largely equestrian pirates; granted too, the religion in question was run by a pope way off in Rome with his own agenda and his own human vices. Still, a leader who believes wholeheartedly in divine accountability would be at least a slight improvement over what we have presently to choose from. But how to work it? Stick kids into a monastery, maybe, stuff 'em up with everything from Marcus Aurelius to Machiavelli to Hobbes to Jefferson, then send 'em to do 4+ years in the army? A vague enough notion, thought it up just now.

Not really apropos, but it is also pretty much forgotten that the original 'whipping boy' was a valuable training aid for up-and-coming princes: "When the sovereign screws up, innocent people suffer."

 

[kronckew]

religiously, my pod of the extended family was lutheran. old martin luther was annoyed at the pope's orgies, profiteering from the poor unwashed, and the selling of indulgences which was an early 'get out of hell free' card, which was even mass produced on the early printing presses, just fill in the blanks, pay the priest and he'd seal it and you are forgiven. ol' martin was however an ardent monarchist and believed in the divine right of kings to rule, so was popular with a lot of the german robber barons and other rulers who wanted to rob the masses themselves and envied the churches stolen zillions (which are still mostly in the vatican vaults). anyhow sponsored by the local petty rulers, protestantism took off and 100 years of religious wars and millions of peasants murdered by both sides resulted. bit like now.

even the 'austere' celebacy of the church was not designed as any religious sacrafice, it was so the priests would not marry, have kids and will their posessions to them. kept all their stuff in the church for the pope & the cardinals, etc.

i kinda vaccilate between the starship trooper approach and the 'weapon shops of ishar' approach myself. in SST you had to be a veteran to be considered a citizen and allowed to vote, having fought (or at least were available to fight) for your citizenship, you are a bit more inclined to participate in the process. in WSOI there was a repressive socialist monarchy nanny state that bubble wrapped everyone and no-one was allowed to own a weapon of any kind and self defence was only for criminals and the govt. a 'shop' appears one day that sells inexpensive smart weapons that can only be used in self defense, if you try to use them fro offense they do not work. complete with energy screen/force field. the shop door will not open to anyone who intends harm, inc. the govt., etc. soon everyone is armed and defending themselves. interesting story.

 

[Rich_S]

back into the analogy; who watches the watchers? i'll reply with another: set a thief to catch a thief.

And what happens when our thief continues to steal himself, along with pursuing the thief we set him after?

 

[kronckew]

And what happens when our thief continues to steal himself, along with pursuing the thief we set him after?

Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite 'em,
And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum.
And the great fleas themselves, in turn, have greater fleas to go on;
While these again have greater still, and greater still, and so on.

'tis a vicious cycle.