Off centered blade on para

My Para is slightly off center when closed. So are a couple of my other Spydercos. I stopped letting such things bother me a long while ago. That way, madness lies.

I paid $89 for mine NIB, so maybe that's why I'm not as worked up. :D

Locks up tight. That's what matters most.
 
I would love to buy knives in real life, but they cost nearly twice as much locally as they do on NGK. I did ask NGK to inspect the knife, but I was more concerned with the lock...I've handled a couple paras prior to mine and one of them had a really rough compression lock, maybe just needed to be worked in, but the others were fine...so I had them check out the lock for smoothness, and my lock is as smooth as any. I just expected the blade to be centered on a knife of this price from a company with the reputation of Spyderco.

I don't blame NGK at all, even I didn't notice this for a few days when I was EDCing it.
 
Pretty much all prodos will be slightly off. It's only a concern when it rubs. CRKTs have a rep for faulty locks, but its rare, so you can't have it all in a production.
 
I've never understood all the concern over blades that aren't exactly centered. Some just aren't. It has little to do with how well the knife will work or cut.

The ones to be concerned with IMO are the ones dragging on the the liner on one side as you open the blade. If the blade is scraping the liner on one side or the other as you close or open the blade I'd say send it back, but if there is a gap on both sides where the blade is free it is really of little concern.

Some of my most frequently carried working knives have blades uncentered and some of them are older than most of the younger guys posting here. They have worked just fine for many years and will probably be passed on when I die. I'd be more concerned about vertical blade play, insecure locks, loose pivots or ones that cannot be tightened rather than something like a slightly off centered blade.
 
It just takes me a long time to get up that sort of money....and when the results are imperfect (when you're used to perfection, as I am, from my 30-70 dollar knives) it's a big dissapointment. I'll get over it, especially as seeing how even replacing it probably wouldn't fix it since the vast majority of folks posting here seem to have it uncentered in a certain direction.

I've just come to expect more. I'm going to have to read a list off to NGK this time of stuff to check out when I order my Native (probably my next knife).

It's too bad that you folks, for the most part, seem to have had your expectations lowered.

Alright, less put all this aside, for real: what causes the displacement of the blade in the para or maybe other compression locks? Maybe locks in general? Since this is my first one off centered, I don't have any experience on it. Let's figure that out, then I can start working how to fix it, if that's possible at all.
 
I think it's kind of crappy how everyone says "you can't expect that kind of stuff from production knives". What a joke. Come on. I like knives but no way in hell I'm going to pay $300+ for a knife to get good QC. A cheap folder is $20. A $100 folder should be much better than the $20 folder. Just because people here like knives and some may pay large sums of money for a knife doesn't mean that the QC shouldn't be there.

I've never had a an off center BM from the factory. I've also never seen a SAK with QC issues and they are only $25 or less for most of them.

The "production folder" thing just don't cut it with me.

This is exactly why Ford and GM are losing customers to Honda and Toyota. American companies (for the most part) have really been slacking off a LOT and just expecting customers to keep flowing. Not gonna happen.

My Ford has 78,000 miles on it and it's a 2001 and it's been in the shop at least 3 times more than my wifes Honda Accord which is a 1996 with 130,000 miles. I can tell you my next car will not be a Ford or GM after this observation. I had a 1993 Chevy before the Ford and it was the same way. Always in the shop. Bye Bye American car companies. Can't have my money any more.

I get a knife from Spyderco from Seki-City and most of the time they are better than the ones produced in Golden Colorado. It blows my mind.

The fit and finish on the inside of my 2001 Ford is worse than the 1996 Honda we have. It's about going that extra mile for the regular joe. People notice when you don't.
 
Yea, this has been discussed, for some reason the Seki city ones are much better than the golden ones, F&F wise
 
My thought about this is that somebody has been spending too much time playing with his knife instead of using it. A small thing like an off center blade does not impede cutting performance, does it? And so far, it has not lopped off your fingers because of lock failure? Just use the knife for what it was intended.
 
I bought a native III and it has a click of vert blade play. I have been told on this forum that that (per spyderco) is normal for the native but it still bothers me because its not perfect so i dont blame you for being upset. If one doesnt do it they all shouldnt do it. Checking for all blade play should be a part of a good QC and your blade should be centered if thats the way you want it...........
 
After all, that's what I'm paying for.

The para is still a great knife, and I don't regret buying it. I'm pretty much over it.

But I just..can't..understand the reasoning. Imperfections that don't affect performance shouldn't bother me? I mean, I could sand off the paint on parts of a car and paint over it with primer and it shouldn't affect performance....but I imagine you wouldn't accept your new Corvette like that from the dealer.

But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you guys wouldn't mind buying a medium-high end sports car with a primer spot on the hood.

Guess I'm just unique.

Let's let the thread die. I'm over it, I think I stepped on the feet of spyderco fans (other than myself, notably) or something, I can't imagine people would react this way if I had said the same thing about a CRKT.

Thanks for the folks that can see where I'm coming from though.
 
Artfully Martial said:
After all, that's what I'm paying for.



But I just..can't..understand the reasoning. Imperfections that don't affect performance shouldn't bother me?

Bro, I can understand that you think 100.00 is a lot of money. Hard-core knife collectors spend 500.00 and up on a single piece without giving it a second thought. I have spent 1000.00 and up on single pieces and if you look close enough you will find some imperfections. Knives are the ultimate piece of art, imperfections don't bother me unless it is something major or stands out/detracts from the value.
If you want something perfect collect coins or something, as long as the knife works go ahead and use it. :yawn:
 
My Manix has some vertical play. The odd thing is my Byrds are perfect, no play and well centered.:confused: When I first got the Manix and felt the vertical play I was pretty ticked. Pobodys Nerfect.:rolleyes:
 
I don't care about centered blades or reasonable blade play. I have not found a folder yet that I can't move the blade if I try hard enough.

Maybe I did used to nitpick small issues, but these days I just use my knives like all my other tools, and I'm happy with 'em.

Everyone has their own expectations I guess.
 
SAKguy said:
I've never had a an off center BM from the factory.
How many Benchmade's have you inspected? Please describe your inspection procedures.
SAKguy said:
I've also never seen a SAK with QC issues and they are only $25 or less for most of them.
An SAK is a very easy knife to build. Why do you think they are so cheap?
SAKguy said:
My Ford has 78,000 miles on it and it's a 2001 and it's been in the shop at least 3 times more than my wifes Honda Accord which is a 1996 with 130,000 miles. I can tell you my next car will not be a Ford or GM after this observation. I had a 1993 Chevy before the Ford and it was the same way. Always in the shop. Bye Bye American car companies.
Lots of Honda's are made in Marysville Ohio. Bye Bye Honda?
SAKguy said:
I get a knife from Spyderco from Seki-City and most of the time they are better than the ones produced in Golden Colorado. It blows my mind.
How many Spyderco's from Seki City have you compared with Spyderco's from Golden Colorado? Please list the models you've compared and the features that are comparable. How do you quantify what it takes to "Blow your mind".

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Knife Aficionados,

Study knife construction. This will reveal why some problems exist and how they can be resolved. A 3" blade that is off center by .040 at the tip can easily be caused by a washer that is not parallel by .001"-.003". That is less than a hair. Cheap folders don't use washers so there is no chance of a bad washer moving the tip off center. The tolerance of the washers could be tightened but it costs money. Some of you are already complaining about the price of the knives. There are other factors that can cause the tip to be off center. Some can be fixed yourself. I think it is fun to modify and tweak my factory knives.

Some newbies don't have a clue. Why would anyone with a clue compare knives that are fine blanked and pinned together against knives with materials that require much more machining and screw construction? Or compare knives without locks against knives with locks? Newbies need to spend more time reading and learning and less time making posts that reveal their ignorance. However, ignorance is bliss. :rolleyes:
 
I think everyone has to decide what they think is acceptable from a knife regarding things like blade play and such.

But it is very important, as Chuck has put so well, that you have a good "evaluation" tool set when deciding these things.

One of the reasons I got into knife making is that I thought it would be a great way to learn about knives. Man, have I ever learned a lot.

I recommend to everyone that they read Terzuola's book, The Tactical Folding Knife. Just look at what goes into constucting modern tactical knives, and you'll look at your knives and the places they come from in a different way.

Chuck already mentioned that a thousanth of an inch in a washer can make a big difference 3" infront of it. All machined parts are made within tolerances, an acceptable range that a part's size can (MUST!) be made to. A washer may be a thousandth out, the blade's tang may be out a thousandth, a screw may be out a half a hair, and there's some of your play. The tools making the knife parts operate in tolerances themselves! Drill bits have a tiny bit of wobble. All machines have tolerances themselves they work in. This is why adjusting a screw a hair can make such a big difference sometimes, and sometimes a knife may need to be sent back to a factory for simply a different (yet identically looking) liner or whatnot. Sometimes a dissassembly and re-assembly fixes things, or switching screws into different holes.

Simple knives like my SAK soldier don't have many "issues" as there is less parts and the design is much simpler, as is the riveted construction and such. Modern tactical folders aren't the same at all. So may factors going into them that it isn't surprising that there is a bit of play here or a slightly off center blade there.

Another thing about these $100 expensive knives, that "should" be perfect, is that their materials are so much more expensive than the cheaper knives, as is the construction methods. S30V and titanium is MUCH harder to work with than 440A and brass. A Paramilitary made from 440A steel, a 420J2 lock and nylon handle scales would be much cheaper than the current version. Yet you'd still have some of the 'play' issues, as the lock and screw construction and other assembly methods raise all of the tolerance issues raised.

I'm not saying that people shoul shut up and accept blade play or off centered blades. I really only emphasize Chuck's point that to evaluate such issues, get a good bag of evaluation tools. Reat Terzuola's book, and build a kit knife if you can!
 
It's too bad that you folks, for the most part, seem to have had your expectations lowered.
Well, mine aren't exactly lowered. My expectation was to get a knife made out of quality materials that would lock up tight and cut till the cows come home. My expectations were met.

I just assumed that the locking mechanism (compression lock) made my knife slightly off center when closed. See? Ignorance *IS* bliss.

Tell yourself it's part of the design. You'll sleep better. :D
 
One of the things that convinced me that off-center blades aren't evil is old knives.

For instance, I have an Imperial easy open jack from probably the 1930s.

Yeah, many more things were made and fitted by hand back then. Humans aren't always as precise as machines. The difference is that people genuinely took pride in their work and did their very best - whether they were a master cutler or a low-paid immigrant who did menial work. As a general rule, fit and finish of old knives was better than the fit and finish on slipjoints today.

The knife I'm thinking of has one blade that's significantly (but not extremely) off-center, despite the quality back then. I've seen similar, very minor defects on other old knives from reputable manufacturers. The knife is well made overall, though.

The point is that I really wouldn't expect utter perfection on anything made in a factory, even if you pay a pretty penny for it. Even custom makers do things by hand and they're as human as everyone else.
 
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