OFF Topic Paypal

Was it an international sale?
I’ve been on the other side of this. I purchased a high end MSC from a forum member in Russia and payed the extra $ for G&S (net to me sale :rolleyes:, glad those are gone, mostly) because I prefer it, and I was concerned about theft in the Russian postal service. He messaged me that PayPal was holding his money and wanted me to click the “Confirm Receipt” button before I actually got it so his funds would be released. By doing that you forfeit your buyer protection and I explained to him that I wouldn’t do it, which he did not like. Anyway, I got my knife and he got his money. Aside from international sales with certain countries, I’m not sure why they do it.
 
PP has held my money even after delivery had been confirmed (and yes, I entered the USPS tracking # into their system) – they can hold it up to 21 days. I was so pissed the last time they did this that I told them to either release the money or I would file a complaint with my state attorney general's office. The money was released the next day.

Why do they do it – because they are big enough to get away with it! :thumbsdown::mad::thumbsdown:

Here is an excerpt from their User Agreement: (I added the underlining)
Holds based on PayPal's risk decisions
We may place a hold on payments sent to your PayPal account if, in our sole discretion, we believe that there may be a high level of risk associated with you, your PayPal account, or your transactions or that placing such a hold is necessary to comply with state or federal regulatory requirements. We make decisions about whether to place a payment hold based on a number of factors, including information available to us from both internal sources and third parties. When we place a hold on a payment, the funds will appear in your PayPal account with an indication that they are unavailable or pending. We'll notify you, either through your PayPal account or directly by phone or email, whenever we place a hold.
Risk-based holds generally remain in place for up to 21 days from the date the payment was received into your PayPal account. We may release the hold earlier under certain circumstances (for example, if you've uploaded shipment tracking information related to the transaction), but any earlier release is at our sole discretion. The hold may last longer than 21 days if the payment is challenged as a payment that should be invalidated and reversed based on a disputed transaction as discussed in the following paragraph below. In this case, we’ll hold the payment in your PayPal account until the matter is resolved (but no longer than 180 days).
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And guess what.... talking to a supervisor or a supervisors supervisor and asking them to look at your 100% perfect transaction history for years and hundreds of transactions gets you nowhere either!
 
It happened to gk4ever2 who sold to me on the Exchange here. I picked up the knife at USPS, but for some reason they didn't show it as delivered. When he tried to get his money, they were holding it. I ended up going back into the USPS PO and had them mark it delivered. No ebay involvement then. Just the Exchange and PayPal.

Although i guess that is a slightly different story.
 
dogboye dogboye did much more than I would have expected to correct a USPS mistake; thank you for doing so! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

There was an example after our transaction that PayPal showed the item had been delivered, and yet they still placed the funds on hold. Only after threatening to contact my state attorney general did they release the money. I have a perfect record with PP, and I would guess the buyer did also.
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gk4ever2 said:
dogboye dogboye did much more than I would have expected to correct a USPS mistake; thank you for doing so! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

There was an example after our transaction that PayPal showed the item had been delivered, and yet they still placed the funds on hold. Only after threatening to contact my state attorney general did they release the money. I have a perfect record with PP, and I would guess the buyer did also.
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No problem. It's what anyone should do.

That's pretty crappy to put the funds on hold even when everything shows delivered. The AG SHOULD be contacted when stuff like that happens. :mad:
 
Yes they do that.
They will also steal your money.
I sold some Busse's in 2004 two weeks before I was wheels up for iraq PP told me I was back charged for two Busse knifes I sold for $2050.00.
The guy was a forum member and 4 months after the sale he said it was an unauthorized charge and PP took my money.
I called sent all the paperwork and they charged me a second time for the same transaction.
I called sent paperwork again and now they said I owed over $6,000 bucks.
They back charged me 3 times for the same deal!
I shipped out and they sent the whole thing to Collections?
I told Collections what happened and they dropped the whole thing.

Several years went by and I started selling stuff again, PP froze my account and stole $4500.00 before freeing up the other $6K.
They do that stuff all the time, I still have all the paper work but there is no recourse because PP is a processor and not a Bank.

Oh, and the guy went on to sell the knifes to Progunner here on the forum while I was in Iraq.
Use PP at your own risk, but they are thieves.
 
Elon Musk, co founder of PayPal, Space X, and Tesla, and then some, etc etc, is a multi billionaire lol. You think at then end of the day ppl like that are concerned much with a few unhappy customers as long as the vast majority are still satisfied? We are numbers to those folks. UPS, fedex, usps, the airlines lol, to them we are not real people with real problems, we are numbers huh!

So what are the other options if not Venmo? A postal money order still! A personal check. Cash. Thing is, all those methods have flaws and have had problems also. No perfect system exists.
 
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PayPal is only as good as the Buyer and Seller ethics...The "GB&U" thread in the Forums is Filled with story after story of BAD behavior on both sides of the deal. I don't agree with PP withholding funds paid up front UNLESS there is a Red Flag from a previous transaction that ended in dispute.

It makes me wonder if a transaction with a Company like Busse via PayPal gets held up OR it's just peer to peer transactions like here in the exchange???
 
Jaxx said:
Venmo is PP. See my last post ^^^
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VENMO IS PAYPAL!!!
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1whobuys said:
Yes they do that.
They will also steal your money.
I sold some Busse's in 2004 two weeks before I was wheels up for iraq PP told me I was back charged for two Busse knifes I sold for $2050.00.
The guy was a forum member and 4 months after the sale he said it was an unauthorized charge and PP took my money.
I called sent all the paperwork and they charged me a second time for the same transaction.
I called sent paperwork again and now they said I owed over $6,000 bucks.
They back charged me 3 times for the same deal!
I shipped out and they sent the whole thing to Collections?
I told Collections what happened and they dropped the whole thing.

Several years went by and I started selling stuff again, PP froze my account and stole $4500.00 before freeing up the other $6K.
They do that stuff all the time, I still have all the paper work but there is no recourse because PP is a processor and not a Bank.

Oh, and the guy went on to sell the knifes to Progunner here on the forum while I was in Iraq.
Use PP at your own risk, but they are thieves.
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So what I’m hearing is that Progunner took delivery of hot merchandise? Even if no fault of his own. Did you contact him? Just curious. Don’t want to go down a rabbit hole. But I thought the forums generally do a pretty good job of policing themselves. I mean it sounds like some guy (not Progunner) cheated you out of over $2k, and is still doing business here on the forum. I’d like to know who that was. I know I certainly wouldn’t want to do business with him.
 
1whobuys said:
Yes they do that.
They will also steal your money.
I sold some Busse's in 2004 two weeks before I was wheels up for iraq PP told me I was back charged for two Busse knifes I sold for $2050.00.
The guy was a forum member and 4 months after the sale he said it was an unauthorized charge and PP took my money.
I called sent all the paperwork and they charged me a second time for the same transaction.
I called sent paperwork again and now they said I owed over $6,000 bucks.
They back charged me 3 times for the same deal!
I shipped out and they sent the whole thing to Collections?
I told Collections what happened and they dropped the whole thing.

Several years went by and I started selling stuff again, PP froze my account and stole $4500.00 before freeing up the other $6K.
They do that stuff all the time, I still have all the paper work but there is no recourse because PP is a processor and not a Bank.

Oh, and the guy went on to sell the knifes to Progunner here on the forum while I was in Iraq.
Use PP at your own risk, but they are thieves.
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Wow bro, I never knew. Did you ever get the knives back? Did progunner offer you the knives back. Sucks for him because he probably paid a lot of money for them as well, not knowing who they were from?
 
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