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The reason for this thread is to give everyone a chance to express(not argue and fight) their thoughts on knife prices.

My thoughts are this:

I don`t know exactly how many knives I`ve purchased on the forum, but thus far all have been great deals/transactions for me, have really dealt with a very high caliber group.

I have paid sellers asking price several times.

But as a buyer, I don`t see anything wrong with making an offer, especially where ther are multiple blades/ items involved.

For one thing, there is the savings for both parties on shipping, in my opinion this goes to the buyer.

Next, how often do you ask a little more, for the purpose of negotiations, and if you bought when the blade first came out, often the price/demand has been reduced over time. This means your blade that you bought for 100.00(just an example) can now be readily purchased for 87.00 shipped.

1 example is a particular product now being offered that can be purchased new(shipped) for 29.50, the current bargain price being asked is double that. I do think that its the buyers responsibility to do the research, but is this any more unscrupulous than a "low ball"offer?

So is it reasonable to expect to get a return on your original purchase price? The exception being makers in demand, ie; to name a few, but not intentionally leave anyone out, BUSSE, customs, Strider, Randall, Chris Reeve etc.

This is AMERICA, so you can ask what you want, but, why get pissed when you don`t get it.

I do however appreciate not liking unreasonable "low ball"offers, you know the ones I`m talking about.

To me, anything for sale depends on 2 things.

1)How bad to you want to sell

2)What do you have for sale, and whats the demand or want on the part of the buyer.

Play nice, and lets air our differences of opinion :) , remember, they are our opinions and like a$$holes, we all have them. :D
 
Seems to me that:

1. You are entitled to ask whatever you want.
2. A potential purchasers is entitled to politely make a reasonable offer.
3. You are free to politely refuse/accept/negotiate.

I would see this as a reasonable part of trade.
 
As long as both parties are reasonable it's not really a problem. If I'm asked to name a price, I will name the best one for me. The seller names his best price, and we meet somewhere in the middle. Usually a low offer isn't trying to be rude, it's just trying to get a good deal. I went through this with another member by email, I started below online prices (which happened to be completely unavaliable once I looked again, doh) he had a different idea of the price. We couldn't agree on a price, so I let it go. Turns out the going rate for the item is a bit above what I'm willing to pay for it, so I won't be getting one.
 
Well I just made my first buy on here through David Farmer, I have to say it was smoother than even buying on eBay. He had a knife for sale that I wanted, he lowered some prices but not on the knife I've been wanting. I made a post saying something like "Aww too bad, I'm poor, wish the price on the Caly would have dropped" or something like that. Well he emailed me quick and pretty much said he understood, told me to make an offer. I didn't know offers were like "OK", I thought asking price was bottom line! Anyways I made my offer, thinking there was no way in hell he would agree, and he didn't... but he simply asked for $5 more, and that was that, we agreed. Great guy, went so smooth and he even sent the knife at the same time I sent payment, I really like it here.

Bottom line it's good to know offers are "OK" and won't be laughed at or piss someone off.

Now if the mail was only quicker and didn't take a day off! Damned sundays :D :D :D
 
gajinoz said:
Seems to me that:

1. You are entitled to ask whatever you want.
2. A potential purchasers is entitled to politely make a reasonable offer.
3. You are free to politely refuse/accept/negotiate.

I would see this as a reasonable part of trade.

Couldn't add anything more! The key word is POLITE. If all of the above are followed, there should never be a problem. :)
 
nelsonmc,

LOL, new knives take forever to arrive, even with usps priority mail

"New knife" days, something to look forward to. :cool:
 
scfishr said:
nelsonmc,

LOL, new knives take forever to arrive, even with usps priority mail

"New knife" days, something to look forward to. :cool:

You know, I actually went outside to check the mail today. Today is sunday, he sent the knife yesterday. I get really weird when I'm waiting for a new knife, especially one I've been looking at for god knows how long.

Day 1 - Knife sent
Day 2 - Insanity begins
Knife arrives - Mmm it's like prozac.
 
nelsonmc said:
You know, I actually went outside to check the mail today. Today is sunday, he sent the knife yesterday. I get really weird when I'm waiting for a new knife, especially one I've been looking at for god knows how long.

Day 1 - Knife sent
Day 2 - Insanity begins
Knife arrives - Mmm it's like prozac.



Rolling in the floor :)
 
scfishr said:
nelsonmc,

LOL, new knives take forever to arrive, even with usps priority mail

"New knife" days, something to look forward to. :cool:
I know all about that. I just ordered a new Strider SnG about an hour ago. I want it NOW. All they've got to do is process the order, pack it, get it to the post office, make sure it travels from US to Oz, get it through customs and deliver it to my door. Surely they can do all that in 1 hour! ;) :)
 
...and this is why I'm a Star Trek fan, I want transporters and I want them now. Just imagine getting that new knife online and transported .00003 seconds later into your hands, oh yes, knife orgasm.

Insanity has set it, full force.
 
I have been on both sides here, and can say that if done correctly I have no problems with making any offer. Even if the offer being made is really way lower than I would take I don't mind someone asking, as long as it is done the right way. If the asking party starts out by saying I am asking way to much, and is just generally nasty I wouldn't even consider it. Just remember that the seller always has the right to turn down any offer.

I have worked out deals with buyers that made an offer lower than I wanted. As long as both parties are polite about it then there is no problem. The way I look at it the only way you will find out is if you ask.

That is if you are buying second hand anyway. I don't like haggeling over the price when I am dealing with a maker. If I feel his work is worth what he is asking I will pay, if it isn't I won't.
 
nelsonmc said:
You know, I actually went outside to check the mail today. Today is sunday, he sent the knife yesterday. I get really weird when I'm waiting for a new knife, especially one I've been looking at for god knows how long.

Day 1 - Knife sent
Day 2 - Insanity begins
Knife arrives - Mmm it's like prozac.



Rolling in the floor :)
 
I know there are people out there who put a price on something and "that is that". There are those who would post a high price just to spark a haggle. I like both kinds.

The things I have sold I have tried to price fairly. Everyone has a limit on anything they are willing to do.I feel if both parties are polite, anything is possible.

I also love to trade. If I am not trying to "finance" a specific effort, then I am usually up to trading offers. I love getting my hands on a new blade, and when I get tired of it, I list it and wait for the next one.

I have been very fortunate to have delt with some terriffic folks.

And yes, I too, hate to wait for my knives!!!!! :D
 
ErikD said:
I have been on both sides here, and can say that if done correctly I have no problems with making any offer. Even if the offer being made is really way lower than I would take I don't mind someone asking, as long as it is done the right way. If the asking party starts out by saying I am asking way to much, and is just generally nasty I wouldn't even consider it. Just remember that the seller always has the right to turn down any offer.

I have worked out deals with buyers that made an offer lower than I wanted. As long as both parties are polite about it then there is no problem. The way I look at it the only way you will find out is if you ask.

That is if you are buying second hand anyway. I don't like haggeling over the price when I am dealing with a maker. If I feel his work is worth what he is asking I will pay, if it isn't I won't.

Well said, Erik. I am not much into haggling over prices, but am receptive to polite, reasonable offers. I never try to negotiate with a maker - that is their living, this is my hobby.
 
ErikD said:
(snip) I don't like haggeling over the price when I am dealing with a maker. If I feel his work is worth what he is asking I will pay, if it isn't I won't.

I understand that point of view. Some makers may even be offended by an offer. Others may feel obliged to custom knife resellers (imagine "knifeart" as an arbitrary hypothetical) not to undersell this important outlet for their work when directly dealing with John Q Public.

Does that mean I won't make an offer? Sometimes I have. I like a knife that has been "available" a long time.... for multiple knives or repeat business. Just be honest and polite --
 
I have only got a couple offensive offers in the past.I just respond and politely decline instead of ignoring or sending a nasty response to a person.I also usually price my items pretty cheap.I lose lots of money for what I get for the stuff I post.I then may get sellers remorse and go out a couple months later and rebuy the same item,which probably will be sold at a big loss again in the future.Actually,I find alot of times the buying,selling,trading is more the hobby than the actual knife collecting.
 
i have had a few lowball offers, and i don't mind them for the most part. i'll just laugh, shrug it off, and then tell the prospective "buyer" that i'll have to pass on their offer. no big deal, even if the offer is what others would consider insulting. 1 minute of my time to reply to their offer isn't a problem for me, though i can understand why others may sometimes take offense. almost every single knife i've sold online has been haggled over -- sometimes i end up getting more in the deal and it can be fun.

i don't lowball sellers myself, but i do throw out a lower price now and again. almost everytime it's been well-received and most times, it's been accepted. good times. about the only thing i can't tolerate is a seller who snaps at you for asking a lower price on an item, even if it's just by a few bucks. i mean, we're all in the "game" to find a deal and spread some knife-cheer. i consider a lot of folks on BFC to be my friends, and friends help each other swing a deal now and then, when feasible.

one last thing: i think some sellers that are unwilling to haggle should state so in their initial post.... something to the effect of "all prices firm, thanks". .. that would save a lot of hurt feelings. (i don't need to hear how some of you aren't going to do this, and how lame it sounds... it's just my own preference! :D )

abe
 
Besides just generally trying to be NICE, I will...

1. Give a REASON for offering less than the forum asking price like the amount the knife is scratched or used or no sheath or box or whatever - try to justify WHY you think it's worth less than they're asking.

2. Throw them a bone by offering to save them on shipping with the price drop: "Will you take $xx.xx for it if I let you ship it by slow/cheap 1st Class Mail instead of Priority Mail?" (I ask the question if I'm offered less for something too.)

3. Tell them how you figured your idea of the value. "So and so has a NEW one on sale for $xx.xx, so would you take $xx.xx for your used one?"

4. Let them know YOU know it's a low ball and are willing to stand in the back of the line: "If you end up not getting your asking price and push comes to shove, $xx.xx is all I can afford right now."

5. SOMETIMES, especially with trades, it has much more to do with how badly someone wants something than it's actual value. If you REALLY want something and the guy didn't even have it up for trade you'd better be ready to put up!

6. I will dicker with makers on TRADES if I'm trading knives for their knives because I figure they have profit figured into their prices, but if they want to trade for something I have that's different.

And finally...
7. If you posted in the "Wanted to Buy" section you're already on bad footing in the dickering department because you're starting off in a "I've got something you really want" situation. ;)
 
Great thread! I don't personally have problems with lowball offers, but haven't had a hard time with anyone yet. Everyone I've dealt with in several dozen transactions has been polite, if not friendly and outgoing. I'm dreading my first screwed up deal or rude individual; I'm sure it's only a matter of time, but I've had great luck and great experiences thus far.

I've found a lot of people will make trade offers when I've stated I'm not interested in trades, or only in specific knives, but it only takes a minute to respond with a polite "no thanks." It can be frustrating sometimes, but I don't think there's any excuse for sending a rude e-mail- you can save the draft and edit it when you cool off if need be.

Jeremy
 
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