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If people would stop responding to the TROLLS, they would stop posting here and move on, because as everyone knows, attention is just what they want.

Unfortunately, some people just can't help themselves, for whatever reason, and they just have to respond, thereby giving the troll exactly what he/she wanted....
 
To the tune of Rawhide

Trollin' Trollin' Trollin'
Trollin' Trollin' Trollin'
Trollin' Trollin' Trollin'
TTO

Trollin' Trollin' Trollin'
Bladeforums is swollen
From Tempe to Shaboygen by
TTO

Flame'um out, Watch'um rant
Watch'um rant, Flame'um out
Watch'um squirm like a worm
TTO

Turn'um in, Watch'um bitch
Watch'um bitch, Turn'um in
Get'um tossed- he's lost
TTO

His username is 'a changin
Everyone's disapprovin
Keep's the moderator's guessin'
TTO

Some are trying to understand'um
Other want to hang'um
All of us want to ban'um
TTO

Old Dennis is calculatin'
The SuperMod's are waitin'
Waitin' for the end of his downslide

Flame'um out, Watch'um bitch
Watch'um bitch, Flame'um out

Turn'um in, Watch'um bitch
Watch'um bitch, Turn'um in

Trollin' Trollin' Trollin'
Trollin' Trollin' Trollin'
Trollin' Trollin' Trollin'
TTO

I'm not taking credit for this song, but I felt it was needed at a time like this.
 
If people would stop responding to the TROLLS, they would stop posting here and move on, because as everyone knows, attention is just what they want.
That would work great in theory if everyone could recognize a troll right away. Since they can't, a troll post invariably receives a number of affirming, supportive replies -- which also grants the troll in question the attention he or she desires. Such attention is actually the preferred attention, since troll-bashing eventually makes the thread too hot for the troll, forcing him, her, or it to retreat (and probably change identities).

The only way to control trolling on a web discussion forum is to ban trolls quickly and efficiently. Attempting to control trolls by ignoring them -- even if nobody were to post to "out" the trolls -- simply does not work. And since these pathetic lying disruptors never seem to be banned as they should be, the only recourse left to us is to humiliate them thoroughly and cruelly.

For the same reasons, the "ignore" feature within the software is essentially useless. You can place a troll on "ignore," but you'll see replies to his or her posts from other members who do not share your sensibilities. So you're left with two choices -- read irritating snippets of conversations to which you have only partial access, or go back and read the ignored posts.

I think the majority of members actually do find the troll-bashing entertaining, too -- which is why the post count always jumps on a forum that has troll activity. Let's admit it: even those who advocate completely ignoring trolls can't resist watching a troll-thread unfold.
 
mikemck,
My observation has been that when ignored, they resort to posting multiple messages with no content. That, in effect, can jam a board. We have that right now on an audio forum where a troll was completely ignored.

The best approach, IMHO, is engage them, challenge them, make them uncomfortable, expose them. It really seems to slow them down. Even for a troll, it is not much fun to be exposed as a liar and a phony.
 
So, umm, "NullRoot", what part of Alaska do you live in where you have 911 service, 5-minute ambulance response time, and a hospital nearby?

Which hospital was it, by the way?
 

That would work great in theory if everyone could recognize a troll right away. Since they can't, a troll post invariably receives a number of affirming, supportive replies


The whole point is, it does not take a large number of affirming replies...one would suffice. What always happens though is a great many people feel the need to post and point out that they know it's a troll, for some unknown reason...either to boost a post count without contributing anything worthwhile at all, or they just don't want to be left out...who knows?

The only way to control trolling on a web discussion forum is to ban trolls quickly and efficiently. Attempting to control trolls by ignoring them -- even if nobody were to post to "out" the trolls -- simply does not work.


How would it not work? Has there ever been a discussion forum where trolls were actually ignored?
If a troll just wants attention, and he/she does not get it on one forum, they will move on to another where they can get the attention they want...

And since these pathetic lying disruptors never seem to be banned as they should be, the only recourse left to us is to humiliate them thoroughly and cruelly.


So the solution is to waste resources by perpetuating threads like this one? The only way they can disrupt anything is if people let them, which seems to be easy enough to do.

I don't want to offend anyone here, but frankly, heaping scorn on a pathetic troll is in itself pretty pathetic, and I truly can't see how it would be entertaining. It just makes it that much harder to seperate the wheat from the chaff..

The whole thing is just about a lack of control, from both sides, and it's pointless...

Just my opinion of course....
 
Awww, come on guys! Can't we KEEP him?

OUR VERY OWN BLADEFORUMS OFFICIAL TROLL?

He's sooooo focused and dedicated...and I have to admit I LIKED the moose story. Maybe if we taught him some better grammar skills and got him a correspondence course in fiction writing...

HUH?? C'mon, it'd be FUN!

The poor guy is just MOOSE-UNDERSTOOD. How would YOU like to be trapped in his body, forced by the EVIL HUMORS OF YORE to a life of TROLLING the virtual ether?

Take pity.

Look into your hearts and be kind.

Let's adopt him before it's too late.

Razor, YOU COULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HIM...:D :p

Karl
 
I'm contemplating razor's metaphor of a troll thread as a kind of cyber-car wreck. We, the rubber-neckers, just cannot turn away.
 
The whole point is, it does not take a large number of affirming replies...one would suffice. What always happens though is a great many people feel the need to post and point out that they know it's a troll, for some unknown reason...either to boost a post count without contributing anything worthwhile at all, or they just don't want to be left out...who knows?
Most people who chime in to "out" a troll, and to humiliate that troll, do it because they despise people who lie to them and attempt to take advantage of the trust of others.
How would it not work? Has there ever been a discussion forum where trolls were actually ignored?
I'll tell you what: start one and let us know how it works out. At the Redoubt I follow a ruthless policy of stomping any trolling immediately, and it works. You will find no trolls there, and a great many people who enjoy the casual and friendly atmosphere that results. Granted, I have only a few hundred active members, whereas BladeForums has thousands, and the scale involved makes such close monitoring far more difficult for a forum of BF's size.
So the solution is to waste resources by perpetuating threads like this one?
What resources are being wasted, exactly? If that is indeed the case, isn't posting to this thread -- and replying to my reply -- a manifestation of the very waste of resources you decry?
The only way they can disrupt anything is if people let them, which seems to be easy enough to do.
As Larus has pointed out, this isn't true; a troll can spam a board if he doesn't get the gratification he seeks and is not banned as he should be.
I don't want to offend anyone here, but frankly, heaping scorn on a pathetic troll is in itself pretty pathetic, and I truly can't see how it would be entertaining.
Then don't view this thread, don't make further responses to it, and place "NullRoot" on your ignore list. Is not the time you've spent reading and responding to this thread itself a form of entertainment? Don't you consider this leisure?

The only way to eliminate trolling is for the forum's administration to identify and eliminate the trolls when they make their posts. "Heaping scorn" on these individuals is the only way to make their efforts less pleasant for them. It works, too, at least up to a point: TTO now flees in terror whenever he is identified. He pops up again, sure -- but each time he becomes more hesitant and more easily shooed.
 
mikemck,
I understand your point. I was raised to despise lying. As a child, it was shown to me to be the one of the worst human characteristics. That is, if you believe as I do, that it precedes horrific actions. For example, what Hitler did was OK in his mind because he represented the world's finest race, and they deserved all they could take from the world.

I personally believe that liars believe what they say. That is, it becomes their reality once they lie to themselves. Does this sound insane? I have observed this behavior a long time. I am not a shrink. But, I believe that dishonesty is the leading cause of mental illness.

I believe that mental illness and dishonesty are at an all time high per capita. Concidence that they rose together? I do not have any facts to support this, only my subjective observations.

Finally, I believe we should question and challenge anyone who tells stories with suspicious claims. This is not to conclude that any poster here is mentally ill or a liar. I conclude simply that a story does not ring of truth and should be challenged. If it is true, the teller will bring forth credible information to support it. If it is not true, perhaps the teller will look inward and solve a great problem before it it too late for self help.

I will challenge the suspicious. I will hope that the teller tells the truth. I will pray for the liar. I will do this until banned from this site because I believe it is the right thing to do. I respect your beliefs, please respect mine.
 
Who is the TTO? SEARCHing on that username turns up naught. As with the Mall Ninja, I want to find the historical (hysterical) genesis.

-- PG
 
TTO is an abbreviation for "The Tactical One."

Karl -- I promise to feed and walk him. Really.
 
One time, when I was in Band Camp...
 
My observation has been that when ignored, they resort to posting multiple messages with no content. That, in effect, can jam a board. We have that right now on an audio forum where a troll was completely ignored.


Banning trolls is a good thing, of course. Nowhere do I advocate completely ignoring trolls...multiple posts calling someone a troll is pointless. Just report it to whoever can ban the person, and be done with it. Does that not make sense?

Most people who chime in to "out" a troll, and to humiliate that troll, do it because they despise people who lie to them and attempt to take advantage of the trust of others.


Once a troll is "outed" they are outed for god's sake..mutliple posts don't keep reouting a troll.

I'll tell you what: start one and let us know how it works out. At the Redoubt I follow a ruthless policy of stomping any trolling immediately, and it works. You will find no trolls there, and a great many people who enjoy the casual and friendly atmosphere that results


What is your point here? I asked you if there had ever been a forum where trolls were ignored, because you said it did not work...have you ever seen a forum that just ignored and banned trolls or not? You must have a reason for saying it does not work.

What resources are being wasted, exactly? If that is indeed the case, isn't posting to this thread -- and replying to my reply -- a manifestation of the very waste of resources you decry?


Here is a good point. Bandwidth and server rersources are wasted processing the posts in this thread, and space is wasted storing it...all of which is paid for by someone else, who has explicitly asked people "not to feed the trolls".. A sensible approach to be sure.
But you are right, my responses are also a waste of resources, considering that I pretty much knew it was pointless asking people once again to show some self control and restraint and not feed the trolls.

As Larus has pointed out, this isn't true; a troll can spam a board if he doesn't get the gratification he seeks and is not banned as he should be.


The key word being 'banned'. The "disruptor" part comes about because people cannot refrain from indulging a desire to try to denigrate another person...made all the more ridiculous in that it is on an internet forum.

Is not the time you've spent reading and responding to this thread itself a form of entertainment? Don't you consider this leisure?


No, reading this thread is not leisure..my purpose in responding to it at all was to try to get people to understand that feeding trolls is just what they want, and therefore ensures that more troll threads will surface, all of which makes it more difficult to find something worthwhile to read here.

The only way to eliminate trolling is for the forum's administration to identify and eliminate the trolls when they make their posts.


Finally something we can agree on.

"Heaping scorn" on these individuals is the only way to make their efforts less pleasant for them. It works, too, at least up to a point: TTO now flees in terror whenever he is identified. He pops up again, sure -- but each time he becomes more hesitant and more easily shooed.


I seriously think you are deluding yourself here, thinking someone is going to "flee in terror", on an anyonymous internet forum, for any reason at all. TTO is a TROLL, and it's attention that he wants, which people are more than happy to give, all the while bitching about trolls. If he was terrified, he would not keep resurfacing..

Why not just admit how much fun you have feeling like you have really humilitated another person, and you have the support of those around you while doing it?

A battle of wits with an unarmed person is sad and pointless..


Edited to correct the quotation
 
Razor - instead of not trusting the moderators to do their job, and giving the troll satisfaction, why don't you alert the moderators and help us take care of the trolls in question.

Kevin
 
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