Okay, here's another one - how about Amber

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I just bought some amber off the Ebay. I had been looking off and on for some time and finally found the sizes I thought I could use for a hidden tang.

Never saw amber ever before except for pictures and know nothing about what to expect as far as machinabilty (that may be a stong word - 'workability' may be better here). Any advise from you that have used it.

Thanks.

P.S. - I do remember a post here some while back that suggests gold on the tang for translucent handle materials.

RL
 
In my experience, better grades of amber such as the Baltic varieties have completely fossilized and work well for spacers. I bought a couple of pounds of Copal Amber on Ebay two years ago and had less good results. The Copal is from South America and is only 3-5 million years old. It has not finished the transition from pitch to amber and tends to shatter when you try to work it. With care, some pieces worked well, but the good stuff is much better.
 
Steve, that's good info for me. What I am getting I am sure is not Baltic or it would have been stated as such. It is coming from South East Asia and its origin was not stated.

RL
 
Here's some info gleaned by doing a search for "carving amber"

Carving amber bears more resemblance to scraping than to cutting. Amber is brittle and will crack or fracture if subjected to too much pressure. Carve or scrape away only tiny shavings on each cut to avoid cracks and breakage. When you are satisfied with your carving, put it in hot water to soften the glue and peel away the glue from the amber.

When working amber, think of it as a hard but brittle plastic.
Any tool that would work for wood or bone, horn or plastic works.
I find better results with hand work for anything beyond rough
cuts, it tends to gum up power tools _very_ easily.

Amber is suitable for fairly compact carvings; I wouldn't use it for very extended things due to its inherent fragility. It is sensitive to heat buildup, but the weirdest thing it does is collect static electricity. (This property was noticed by the ancient Greeks noticed, and is how we got the word "electricity"- from the Greek "electrum", meaning amber.) Unfortunately, this can cause carvings to crack or even fly apart during polishing, so one must stop frequently and put the piece down. This also helps avoid the build-up of heat, and lets you rest your eyes.

Although amber has been carved since ancient times by other methods, the easiest way to to remove material is with a sharp carbide bur (use a new one, not one previously used for metal) held in a flexible shaft tool like a Foredom (or a Dremel if you're a cheapskate). It can also be carved with the coarse riffler files made for metal removal. Drilling amber is very touchy, for some reason, so if you are piercing it to make beads or similar items go slow, and use lubrication.

Especially with valuable specimens, like insect-included ones, the extra time spent initially in removing material by hand with files and sandpaper is made up for by the increased control of the surface and not having to start sanding all over again to remove heat-scars. The hard part with this stuff is to avoid removing too much too quickly. I've had good luck sanding with silicon carbide paper, but any sandpaper will probably work. Start with a coarse grade like 180, then go to 220, 320, and 600 grit, making sure to remove all traces of coarser compound before proceeding to a finer one. Doing the sanding wet will save sandpaper (you have to use the "wet-or-dry" type for this) since it will load up less, especially in the finer grits.

Polish with tripoli compound on a clean muslin buff, going slowly, or just rub it with a piece of cloth or thin leather charged with compound- this is safer. To get into crevices, use an appropriately shaped stick behind the cloth. For the highest polish, white rouge or most proprietary compounds used for plastic will work. (some people use cigarette ashes for the final polish, but I haven't tried this.)

Amber erodes cleanly until it gets hot, (although it can have a tendency to chip out) then it starts gumming up and turning opaque. The only thing to do then is remove the burned area and go slower next time. If it seems to be gummy before it gets hot, you might be dealing with copal instead of real amber. There are a few ways to tell the difference: one is by immersing a few chips in denatured alcohol. If they get sticky or dissolve, then it is copal. Another test involves burning a small sample. Amber will burn rather steadily; copal flares and spurts. If your "amber" came from Colombia, it is copal. It can be carved and polished, but it is more difficult, and will be more fragile when it's done (and of course less valuable). If it smells like burning plastic when you carve it, then it is plastic, which is often sold as amber by unscrupulous or ignorant vendors.
 
There are probably many sources of good amber. I just have experienced the two I wrote about. The Baltic stuff is reputed to be the best.
 
Chuck, thanks very much for that useful info. I will print this off for reference to have before I start working it. All these specimans do have insects within them (I have five spec. coming). The insects are secondary or not of essential consideration to me but if it cuts to size and the insects remain fine. I'll attempt it but if they are on the outside parts the hell with them.

Steve, yes - I have always heard or read that the Baltic is the best. I remember about the Czar(s) having an amber palace room of Baltic amber.

I am anxious because it has been in my thoughts to use some.

RL
 
It may even help if I be more specific. My original intention, and it may change, is to use the amber on what I would call a 'stacked' hidden tang; in that different handle materials will be stacked much like some leather handles are made. I would plan on two or three of these pieces to be amber of widths to perhaps 3/8th inch or more. So my major operations on it would be to cut, mill out the tang slot, shape and finish.

RL
 
Roger,

I recently tried the gold leaf behind some honey buffalo horn. Sure does make a world of difference. I got the gold leaf from www.iconofile.com under their guilders supplies section, 23k gold leaf. Sure is fragile stuff, but sure does light up the piece.

Dan
 
Dan-
No problemo - it's posted for anybody to use.

Besides I'm to dang wore out to kick anybody's backside!:rolleyes:
 
Dan (dhannon), thanks for that link. I am seriously considering Damasteel for this one. I wonder about what it would look like with an etched stainless damascus tang showing through or whether it be best to gold the tang and therefore not use damascus for the entire tang length.

Dan, nice addition to your site.

Chuck, which one would you prefer to sheath? The one we already discused or this one? I like a sheath of yours best on the amber D'Alton if I had to choose between the two.

RL
 
Roger - It's up to you - waiting for the amber one is fine by me.
I've done a couple of others with amber grips so it would be nice to work with it again.
 
That sounds good to me. Let's wait for this one then. I hope I don't get a rush order because I want this one to be my next. I've been wanting to make one for some time. Don't know what to use for guard and pommel yet, maybe NS, copper, brass or silver. The walrus bone is real nice stuff to work and functions very well in the field and I am probably going to put some of that on the handle too. First I need to order steel. This one should be Damasteel in their new TNT pattern. I should pray before ginding.

RL
 
shgeo described the amber I got. I was able to get one 1/2 inch thick spacer made but the rest of the stuff is just too cracked throughout and with too many voids and caverns. I'm not going to be able to use this stuff for the knife I wanted to make. I don't want to cut into any of the other pieces because I know it won't work. So I guess its back to Ebay to unload them as collectables.

Shucks. Now I gotta figure another knife design for the Damasteel I got coming. Just one of those couple of weeks I guess.

RL
 
John, you are my crutch. I should have asked advise about amber before buying any. From now on its Baltic or none at all. I did get one decent piece profiled for a spacer though for a future knife and only had to cut up one of the pieces. There is no use ruining the others because some one some where will appreciate them as they are. They all have insects and other weird stuff in them.

RL
 
Roger, off the wall, if you 'glassed the spacers between the other sections and had the surfaces properly roughed, maybe the amber won't crack any more? You know how that stuff holds! I haven't done such, but have never had the 'glas let loose of anything, or had any sectioned piece crack. The Brownell's 'glas would be invisible at the amber sections, too.
 
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