Okay, how many of ya have busted a FRN handle?

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Lavan

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I looked at the liner in a new Endura and thunk to myself.... WHY?

I would bet that not even 1/100th of 1 % have ever broken or permanently deformed an UNLINED Delica or Endura.

:jerkit: :confused:
 
I think it's more a question of perceptions than realities, mixed with a bit of "keeping up with the Jones'. "Everybody knows" a knife with screw construction and steel liners is better than one which lacks those features. Other manufacturers were offering knives with them, so I would guess Spyderco felt compelled to do so in order to compete effectively. On the bright side, for those of us who favor simplicity the Salt I and Pacific Salt are viable options. :D

Have to ask, do you ever take a break from masturbation?
 
This is what I always said myself. I heard many stories about how various users managed to break the blades of their spydies, but not even one case of broken "cheap" FRN handles :rolleyes: The same with unlinered G-10 or Micarta.
But the market demands liners. And what the market wants, the market gets. Or, as comrade Marx used to say "better be wrong together with the society rather than be right against it" :jerkit:
 
Hi Lavan,

Other than plastic clips, very few have broken. The adding of the liners was not to avoid handle breakage.

The skeletal structure or skeletal stainless frame offers:

A stiffer piece without adding much weight.
A more stable platform for pivot screws.
A platform for clip screws, which is needed for a 4 way clip arrrangement.
Screw construction.

It suffers from:

More weight, even if it's only a little.
Higher manufacturing costs.
Customers losing parts.
More complicated in design and manufacuring.

sal
 
A platform for clip screws, which is needed for a 4 way clip arrrangement.
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Oops, I forgot that one, Sal.

I think you'll have no worries about Lavanerco as I was planning to use glue.

ELMER'S glue.

:D
 
Here's ole me just happy to be able to switch SIDES on the clip.
(even if I don't)

:)
 
The option to go tip down is nice. I carry a PE (tip up) clipped against the pocket seam and an SE (tip down) next to it forward. The sit back to back that way. I like to carry in just my right pocket.
 
I remember reading a post on the general forum where someone who had no experience with spydercos warned someone else to stay away from them because the grip looked like he could crush it.

You should have seen how fast the spydie Fans pounced on this moron.

I for one have put one older FRN handled delica through Hell without any problems.
 
For me it's not about breaking handles in two but about FRN springholder. This is what keeps me from buying the FRN models.

(please note these are not my pics nor my knife (the blade has been modded (note the shape) but I don't know why))

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huugh said:
For me it's not about breaking handles in two but about FRN springholder. This is what keeps me from buying the FRN models.
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That's unbelievable. I'd LOVE to know how it happened or more to the point, IF it really happened. The portion of the spring holder which appears broken off in those photos has pins molded into each side of it which fit into holes in the liners. As in the Delica shown in this thread of Wouter's on the Spyderco factory forum.

So in order for that damage to occur, sufficient force would have been needed to first shear those pins and then snap the carrier. I really doubt that could happen at all, certainly not from the force of depressing the lockbar with one's thumb. Assuming sufficient force could be applied, the more logical failure mode would be for the pins to deform, the liners to spread, and the carrier to flex until the spring fell out. Unless you're near the North or Sout Pole, nylon composites like FRN are very difficult to break, at normal temperatures they will flex rather than snap.

If that group of pictures is your only reason for avoiding Gen 4 knives, I think you're depriving yourself of the experience for nothing.

Paul
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I think the only way to bust out the spring holder is if it wasn't assembled properly to begin with.
I have put my E4 back together and noticed the small side pins were not in the liners holes and had to take it back apart and rectify this.
The sandwich assembly method is what caused it in my experience. The holder was tensioned enough to keep one of the pins from mating in the liner. Therefore I put it together all the way minus the lock bar and spring. Then I insert the spring and push the lock bar in from the spine of the handled and slide the lock bars pivot pin in and viola.
 
Those springholders deform easy. If you have ever taken one apart and put it back together, you'll know what I mean. Be careful when doing this.
 
I have heard the "FRN spring holder" argument before. All I can say is I have never had an FRN spring holder fail, even on the cheapies I have beat up, much less on a Spydie. My guess on those pictures is someone tried to take apart and reassemble a gen4 knife and messed up by trying to sandwich stack it with the blade and lockbar both in place.
 
I've somewhat deformed the pocket clip area (twisted it around), to the point that the clip would wobble side to side. I'm sure I'm not the only one to have done so.
 
On the Springholder

I have read that it is best to sndwhichpack your knife but leave the blade out and put the pivot pin with washers in last. Just push up the lockbar and slide everything in.
 
Yeah... that's how I put my D4s back together when I take them apart. Works pretty well, too. I can make sure that the spring holder is fully engaged with the liner (including the round tab) and snug the screws down while there's no strain on anything.

Then I just slip the blade and washers in while holding the lockbar down and push the lockbar pivot through. One more screw for the lockbar pivot and that's it.
 
In reference to all this FRN spring holder stuff, STR is in the process of seeing if he can make a titanium replacement spacer/spring holder for the D4/E4. I have sent him a spare D4 I had as a test model. Check out his own forum here.
 
yablanowitz said:
I have heard the "FRN spring holder" argument before. All I can say is I have never had an FRN spring holder fail, even on the cheapies I have beat up, much less on a Spydie. My guess on those pictures is someone tried to take apart and reassemble a gen4 knife and messed up by trying to sandwich stack it with the blade and lockbar both in place.
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That's my guess too. An old gunsmith buddy of mine once said, only half in jest, that well over half the work he got was due to guys making the assumption that possession of a pair of testicles had qualified them to use a screwdriver. ;) :D

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The Deacon said:
That's my guess too. An old gunsmith buddy of mine once said, only half in jest, that well over half the work he got was due to guys making the assumption that possession of a pair of testicles had qualified them to use a screwdriver. ;) :D
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Well, that's certainly interesting. FYI we in Europe use our hands :p :D
 
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