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Okay. What's up with you guys and Case knives?

Where to start.....

Case's Tru-Sharp SS is really 420HC. Same stuff found in many Buck, Camillus, and other mass produced factory knives. Not the top of the line SS on the market , but a servicable steel if properly sharpened. This has been, and continues to be, a topic of discussion on the Case forum over at knifeforums. The consensus is that it is a good steel for everyday use, but its true, it plays second fiddle to they're CV steel in overall performance. I used a SS Case trapper to field dress and skin a mature whitetail buck this past season and it performed just fine, actually better than expected.

Case's out of the box edges are not uniform, but they have made improvements in this recently. Remember, these are mass produced multiblade knives that, traditionally, are expected to have the users preferred edge put on by the user himself. Most guys who carry a stockman, for example, put different edges on different blades for different purposes. A good rule of thumb with slipjoints of any brand is to expect to have to put the edge you want on the knife after you get it. I've had less than sharp Bokers, Bulldogs, and Schrades out of the box, but that doesn't make them, or Case, a bad knife. Nor is it really a manufacturing flaw, you are just supposed to put the final edge of your preferance on them yourself.

Case's knives with CV steel are great, yellow derlin or bone, they will work just as hard as grandads old knife. They are, in my opinion and experience, real working slipjoints. I have about a dozen CV Cases, from the mid-60's to present manufacture, and all of them are class A working knives. Fit and finish on these knives is comparable over the time period, not a stinker among them, the worst I can say is there is some blade rub on some of the models. DO NOT be afraid to buy, carry, and use a Case CV knife of your choice. They are good pocketknives.
 
Like several people have said I too have a somewhat sentimental connection with Case knives. The Sodbuster was one of my first knives as a kid and I also remember my Dad always having a three blade (Case, Old Timer, Schrade) in his pocket. I carry Spyderco, Emerson, Benchmade etc...but Case knives always have a spot in my collection.

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Hair said:
What is it about modern stainless steel that makes you call it crap?

Just because it is different than what you grew up using? Isn't that pretty sad?

Since ZDP-189 can outcut and outlast any carbon steel, you might want to rethink calling stainless steel "junk". Unless by "junk" you mean "it's different and scares my small mind".

Why does this board seem to have so many people who challenge any difference of opinion by making comments like this one? Can't help but think of the term, "snob".

Mainly, I was wondering if there had been some change in the way they are made.
 
Big Ugly Tall Texan said:
Why does this board seem to have so many people who challenge any difference of opinion by making comments like this one? Can't help but think of the term, "snob".

Mainly, I was wondering if there had been some change in the way they are made.
I don't challenge a difference of opinion just because it is different. I am not a close-minded fool and understand that the world takes all kinds. I am also not a snob. I probably have more junk knives than anyone here, and I love them all.

Your statements about stainless steel have been ignorance and misinformed. By calling something you have no clue about "junk" just because it is different than what you like makes you the close-minded snob, not me. I was trying to talk some sense into your head.

I don't care that you prefer carbon steel. Everyone likes different things. I care that you are ignorant about stainless steel and trash it for no good reason. Notice the difference. I don't care that your opinion differs from mine. I care that the basis of your opinion is ignorance.

Let me use an example. Miata versus Corvette. Not bare in mind that I love both cars and that both cars handle very well in different ways (with the Corvette having more grip for more cornering speed and the Miata being more nimble).

Your views on stainless steel is akin to someone saying "I hate Corvettes because they are too slow. I prefer cars that are fast in a straight line so I like the Miata more."

The Corvette is actually faster in a straight line. So if someone made this statement, I would take issue with it.

If someone said they dislike the Corvette because they prefer nimble cars like the Miata, even though I personally like the Corvette more, I would not take issue.

I don't care when someone dislikes something I like, or likes something I don't like (though I do like Miatas and carbon steel).

You have said that you don't like stainless steels because they don't take a good edge. This is funny because one of the advantages of high-end stainless steel is that they do take a good edge and can hold it for a very long time compared to traditional carbon steel. If you said you prefer carbon steel because it is tougher, that would be a different story.

Just admit that you do not like stainless steel because it is different than what you grew up with. Your daddy used carbon and you grew up with it, so it pisses you off that modern stainless steel has become more common and more popular. It is possible to prefer one without badmouthing the other.

Sorry if I came off like a jerk. I didn't post here to make an enemy. But I am a knife knut. Even though I haven't been into knives for even a year yet, I am totally obsessed. When someone trashes a knife, steel, handle material etc.. that I like (which means pretty much anything since I like just about everything in the world of knives) for a bad reason, I will defend it. If you reasoning was sound I wouldn't have any issue with your view. The reason that I have an issue is because your "opinion" is really just a lie and not based on reality.
 
Just out of mild curiosity, do you go to the Glock forum and complain about how no one needs anything besides a Ruger wheel gun or to a Rolex forum and say that no one needs anything but a Timex? Just about every post you make, at some point, mentions the term "knife snob." If all people just used $40 Case knives and fixed blades made by friends or relatives for just the cost of materials, there wouldn't be any need for knife forums and a whole lot of makers/manufacturers/dealers would be out of business and the world would be a little more boring. There's nothing wrong with using a just Case knife, but you really need to be a bit more open to other knife needs and knife preferences.
 
my dad carried 1 of those made in china lockbacks.then gerber and almar when he knew better.then bechmade and a tactical folder he made,when he started making knives.so all along he was into tacticals,maybe that's where i got it from.but dad's first good knife was a case bowie bought in '84.he atill has it
 
I like Case knives quite a bit. Obviously, I prefer the CV blades. They're pretty close to the old-fashioned carbon steel.
 
Hair said:
Since ZDP-189 can outcut and outlast any carbon steel...

Is there a place where I can read about the tests that were done to show this? I also don't know what you mean by outlast. I have knives made from carbon steel that have stayed sharp for almost as long as ZDP-189 has been on the market. It is going to be a long time before people are going to be able to say that ZDP-189 will outlast carbon steel. Did you mean that it will stay sharp longer than any carbon steel?

I would however love to see something on the tests that were done to show that ZDP-189 outcut carbon steel.
 
Big Ugly Tall Texan said:
Why does this board seem to have so many people who challenge any difference of opinion by making comments like this one? Can't help but think of the term, "snob".

Mainly, I was wondering if there had been some change in the way they are made.

Just go to their profile and stick them on the ignore list- solves that problem nicely.
 
Keith, yes by "outlast" I did mean edge retention.

Rat, sort of funny that he complains about people not letting him state his opinion, so you tell him to censor mine.
 
Why I don't own a Case folder.

I am not a fan of slippies. For me, I prefer a locking blade. I don't carry SAKs for this reason either.

I am not a fan of the steels which Case uses. As mentioned above, Case has used it's name to carry its sales for years.

I don't like their look. Maybe my dad grew up with them, but I prefer modern design knives. Maybe it's the mall ninja in me, but in all honesty I don't find traditional or heirloom knives to be useful (in the sense that I feel the need to own one for personal use). I don't mean this to say that I am only for tactical appeal, but maybe instead more for modern practical design. I'm not saying that Case doesn't have to change with the times, but then again I don't listen to oldies radio stations either.

I used my dad's Sodbuster as a teen, it was "ok". It didn't give me the goosebumps that I get when I have an excuse to wield a mid-to-high end production knife (no customs yet, but they rank here too).
 
Hair said:
Keith, yes by "outlast" I did mean edge retention.

Rat, sort of funny that he complains about people not letting him state his opinion, so you tell him to censor mine.

One person ignoring another isn't censorship.
 
Hi, my name is "context", nice to meet you.

My point stands. Please save it. Thanks.
 
The Case knives with the yellow Delrin handles are still made with the same carbon steel they were years ago.

The confusion stems from this fact. Case makes knives for two purposes - for collecting and for using. The "crap" stainless steel, as you put it, is for collecting knives. It is a steel that resists corrosion well and that is something important in a knife that you collect instead of use. Most Case knives are made for and bought for collecting. It is the nature of their marketplace.

The Case knives that are made for using are either carbon steel or ATS-34. Carbon steel is used in the less expensive ones and ATS-34 in the expensive ones.

So there you have it. You just need to understand how Case does things so you can pick the model that's right for you. The quality and utility of Case knives is just fine. It just isn't the style knife preferred by the majority of the members of BF.
 
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