okay which one of you WAKI owners is this

[nizrulesall]

I don't know how many of you know this, but I work at a maximum security prison.

I am also Ex-Military so I come from a job filled with duty, professionalism, and most of all respect.

There is none of that in a maximum security state prison. I can tell you that most of these guys are animals. Most of them play the psych game to recieve high dollar psych meds on our tax dollar, so they can remain as high as possible, like they did when they were on the street. Most of these guys have 10 years, 20 years or multiple life sentences. A very high percentage, if they were able to get out, would go right back into the same life they left.

This type of human is not trying to work a 'nine to five' They have no sense of responsibility, and they don't give a crap about you or I. They want what they want, they want it now, and they don't want to have to work for it. Many of these guys have children, no doubt on welfare or in foster homes.

So, to sum this up. They took from us (someone in our society) while they were on the outside, by STEALING, raping, killing, drug dealing, you name it. Now that they are incarcerated, they are taking from us again, because our tax dollars provide their electric, water, FOOD (3 hot meals a day by the way, I'd wager better than that of someone in Iraq at the moment) They get dental care, legal help (to try and have their case over-turned by any technicality they can find, so they get out of prison and then will sue for wrongful imprisonment) A death row inmate can get a heart transplant, can you believe that? Most death row inmates spend about 15-20 years tied up in court battles to try and get off their sentence, before they are actually executed for their crime. And as I mentioned, you can imagine any dependents they have at home, we're paying for as well.

So my answer to the deadly force question would be the safety of my family is not to be risked for the safety of an intruder. When legal, and justified I would have no problem using force to protect that which is my own.

I have been legally carrying guns for years, and have never had to use one. But as my signature line says..
If you wish for peace
prepare for war

AMEN. Our legal and prison system is in such a mess there is little hope left. I have always felt that when you commit a crime of such a degree to place you in prison you LOSE your rights. Not gain a right to hot food, tv, and exercise. Which the rest of us law abiding citizens have the honor of paying for. What happened to HARD time? Fuck criminals "rights", bring back chain gangs and feed the worthless pieces of shit gruel once a day. Also the death penalty is a joke. What happened to a rope and a tree? Maybe criminals wouldnt WANT to go back in cause they cant handle working, and contributing to society when they do get out.

Theres my rant. But in reality it'll get much worse, because this country is full of sheep. The sad price of freedom is scum take advantage whenever possible, and lawyers will make a buck protecting the scum.

So if in the same position i would use either my handguns, knives, or Busse customshop satin AK to chop any intruder up who came into my home, and by being there is endangering me or the only people I love on this earth: my family.

 

[skoocher]

Actually, it wouldn't be any of us. We're all trained in the art zombie head removal.

 

[iamtoast]

There is no excuse I can think of for a non-criminal to break in instead of knocking on the door, ringing the doorbell, or, God forbid, calling before they enter someone else's premises. Even if that were the case, as completely unlikely as it might be, simply answering the kids questions and not lunging at him would have diffused the situation. I find it upsetting that some have said that someone defending their life and property from a break in is unjustified because the violent intruder was drunk and mistakely broke into the wrong house.

I do not think going into a seperate garage after an intruder is a good idea and he might have a harder time defending himself in court over his choice. Hopefully he will not be sued, as others have, for depriving a mother of their darling 45 year old repeat offender criminal. Worse still is that these victims of violence and crime who have simply defended themselves have a good chance of loosing in civil court.

 

[akadave2]

:thumbup: I agree completely. Force should be used only if absolutely necessary. If faced with the prospect of an intruder in my house, I think the prudent thing to do would be to contact the police while either avoiding detection or escaping completely. Only if forced into a confrontation would I advocate the use of force. And if that means killing the intruder, so be it, but my first instinct would be to incapacitate.

I believe Thalestin is right, the attitude of "shoot first, ask questions later" is a good way to get innocent people killed, and why knife and gun bans are so pervasive. The reasons some would say is free reign to use as much force as possible are the same reasons to execute as much caution as possible. When an intruder is obviously hostile, I agree, you should consider the possibility that force may be necessary. But as Thalestin said, you just don't know. Immediately killing an intruder simply based on the fact that they are in your home is a dangerous attitude to have.

The fact that we dont hear about this kind of thing very often is due in part that most criminals that are not high on something or looking to actually kidnap or kill someone dont break into houses when people are home. This is primarily due the real danger of being killed. As a matter of fact, there was a well known interview with a career criminal that stated he was not afraid of the police but of an armed homeowner being at home when he thought they were gone.

I have already told my wife that is someone breaks into our home...knowing that with both vehicles in the driveway and maybe a light on, we will need new carpet. Im not even going to ask for them to leave.

 

[LeftytwoGuns]

:thumbup: I agree completely. Force should be used only if absolutely necessary. If faced with the prospect of an intruder in my house, I think the prudent thing to do would be to contact the police while either avoiding detection or escaping completely.

I believe Thalestin is right, the attitude of "shoot first, ask questions later" is a good way to get innocent people killed, When an intruder is obviously hostile, I agree, you should consider the possibility that force may be necessary. But as Thalestin said, you just don't know. Immediately killing an intruder simply based on the fact that they are in your home is a dangerous attitude to have.

Almost your entire post angers me. You sheeple need to stand up and be capable of defending yourselves. Did you actually say that if an intruder breaks in you would hide, or escape??? That is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard. I sure hope you have some competent neighbors willing to come save your ass in an emergency, or some extremely fast cops, because you obviously aren't willing to fend for yourself.

And the worst part, "that's how innocent people get killed"?!?!? you mean the guy who is prowling around your property in the middle of the night? Yeah he's definitely assumed to be innocent and if he isn't hacking up any family members I guess he isn't hostile yet right? Why don't you make him a cup of coffee and discuss wether he [A] just got a little lost while on a late night tour of your neighborhood and wound up in your living room, just there purely for theft or [C] there to do actual physical violence.
And if it's the 3rd choice I guess then it's time for you to run out of your house screaming for the police.

 

[LeftytwoGuns]

There is no excuse I can think of for a non-criminal to break in instead of knocking on the door, ringing the doorbell, or,
God forbid, calling before they enter someone else's premises.
Hopefully he will not be sued, as others have, for depriving a mother of their darling 45 year old repeat offender criminal

Ahhh how refreshing, someone with some common sense!

 

[Mr. Night]

Almost your entire post angers me. You sheeple need to stand up and be capable of defending yourselves. Did you actually say that if an intruder breaks in you would hide, or escape??? That is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard. I sure hope you have some competent neighbors willing to come save your ass in an emergency, or some extremely fast cops, because you obviously aren't willing to fend for yourself.

And the worst part, "that's how innocent people get killed"?!?!? you mean the guy who is prowling around your property in the middle of the night? Yeah he's definitely assumed to be innocent and if he isn't hacking up any family members I guess he isn't hostile yet right? Why don't you make him a cup of coffee and discuss wether he [A] just got a little lost while on a late night tour of your neighborhood and wound up in your living room, just there purely for theft or [C] there to do actual physical violence.
And if it's the 3rd choice I guess then it's time for you to run out of your house screaming for the police.

+1. these people are lemmings.

 

[islamoradamark]

as the story says the suspct lunged at him . the the home owner was protecting himself what part dont u understand ? the part where they found out latter where he has been in jail many times for theft and home invaision. the home owner was protecting himself. clear and simple.

 

[iamtoast]

I have already told my wife that is someone breaks into our home...knowing that with both vehicles in the driveway and maybe a light on, we will need new carpet.

Awesome, just awesome. I would like to say the same but we have wood floors.

 

[skoocher]

I guess he won't be using the revolving (prison) door any more.:thumbup: