Old Camillus Stockman Identification

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Hey guys, lets try this one out. I beleive tthis pattern is called a Stockman? Not sure how old it is. Main blade is stamped CAMILLUS NEW YORK U.S.A.; other side of main blade is stamped 63. Any ideas on what this is exactly? Too bad the handle scales have a crack and its pitted on the blades.
 
Actual size closed 3-3/8" Premium Stock knife with mirror polished clip, sheepfoot and pen blades, genuine maize handles. No. 63 wt. per doz. 1-3/4 lbs. List price $8.50 each (1976).

Codger
 
Hi Codger!

I suspect that is a "Left Early"!
The bolster pins are as riveted & were never knocked off & polished. I believe that knife was taken home in a lunch box!! (or scrounged out of the trash).

To my knowledge no Camillus knife was ever planned to be sold at that point of manufacture.
 
I suspected that might be the case with this knife. I'm not supposed to guess, but I like to. So my guess is that the spring pin broke the scale and it was tossed into the reject bin without further investment. Nilo came thru with dirty fingernails and picked it up to clean his nails, then tossed it in a trash can at some work station as he continued his stroll. The worker at the station siezed upon it as a memento of the visit, and whatever pleasentry was exchanged (or butt chewing), and pocketed it. Now, prove it ain't so! :D

Codger
 
Just curious - why do you think it was a "left early" and not a post-factory repair?

I have a Camillus electrician's knife with that kind of "unfinished" rivit and I just assumed it was a repar job. I'd have to dig it out to be sure, but I think it had the same marking as this one.
 
That pattern on the pin heads is from a Bracker Orbital Riveting machine.
Had it been repaired by hand it would have a very different look from hand riveting with a hammer.
 
Wow. See, thats why I signed up here. You guys are more knowledgabe than I could have hoped for! Now what does that do as far as collectibility? Hurt it or help it??
 
Good question!!!

I honestly don't know.
I would guess it would be worth less than a mint finished knife, but who knows?
 
Phil Gibbs said:
That pattern on the pin heads is from a Bracker Orbital Riveting machine.
Had it been repaired by hand it would have a very different look from hand riveting with a hammer.
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So it looks like this one is a "left early," too.

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Makes sense; the blade is slightly bent, and has a slight crease near the tip, almost like it got caught in a stamping machine. I had previously thought it had been abused, but maybe it was just a discard that somehow made it's way out in the world.
 
Yes, that too looks like a "left early".
Crease near tip of blade had to be caused after heat treating/grinding/polishing of blade. More likely was abuse.
Does the screw driver lock work well?
 
Screwdriver lock works fine. Overall, it looks like a knife that saw pretty light use other than the problems with the main blade.
 
Then probably a true "left early".
Taken by a worker that had access to it befure the pin knock off operation.
 
I recall seeing many of these "left early" knives that were brought to the Camillus factory for repair. Once someone brought in several Silver Sword knives that were not finished and had gotten out before any of the new line had been shipped.
If these knives were sold as "seconds", either the tang stamp would have been ground off or had a "X" through it.

Tom Williams
 
Camco, totally unrelated here but i was wondering if you could give me any info on old (30 years? dunno) Camillus 26 2 bladed hunter, Sword Brand, any ideas when they started and stopped the sword branding? Ive scoured the net turned up nothing
Thanks!
ivan
 
Early SWORD BRAND knives are stamped on the blade. Later knives have "SWORD BRAND" etched on the blade.
Early models of the #26 knife have pinned on covers with three pins showing on each handle. In the 1970's Camillus began using stud construction to fasten the handles to the linings and only the center pin is visible on each handle.

Send me an email with your mailing address and I will send you copies of Camillus catalog sheets showing the model #26 knife.

Tom Williams
 
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