Old Fart Venting- - "Worth It"

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It is almost impossible to open a knife or gun related forum without running into the proposition that something is "not worth it" when there are cheaper alternatives available "just as good." Some examples: Busse (or any of several other high-end makers') knives, Nighthawk Hi-Powers and Korth/Nighthawk revolvers, high-end 1911's, the list goes on and on. There is sometimes almost a reverse snobbery going on. By logical extention of this argument, such things as Rolex watches, Corvettes or other high-performance sports cars, luxury cars like Lexuses, Cadillacs, BMW's, Mercedes, etc. ought not to exist either. Although none of the proponents would admit it, this is a collectivist mindset, the decidedly liberal/socialist idea that everything you do is somehow their business and that if any thing is affordable to one person it ought to be affordable to everyone and available at Wal-Mart. It is also the arrogance of thinking one's own opinions about worth ought to be imposed on everyone else.

Closely related to this is the notion that collecting something for it's own sake rather than using it is somehow an inferior or shameful activity. A guy on another forum today actually asked what is the standard for when it's ok to buy a knife and not use it. My reply was along the lines it's your knife and you have the absolute right to decide what to do with it. There is, or ought not to be, any "standard." A collection of Frost cutlery is just as valid as a collection of Randalls if it pleases the one doing the collecting.

If a person buys anything legal from another person and is happy to have the thing purchased at the price, then to that person it's "worth it" no matter what anyone else, with the possible exception of the spouse, has to say about it. There are a lot of nice things in this world that I can't afford, but more power to those who can.
I can afford a few of the best knives available, and if I choose to do so, it's no one else's dang business, except for dream girl (who has never objected, one of the things that makes her dream girl.)

Be a man. Buy what you want and can. Collect what you want and can. Use or don't use it as you wish. Don't let anyone else rain on your parade. You don't need mine or anyone else's approval, yet.
 
I want to believe, but when I see things like this or this, I can't. It just can't ALL be relative.

The first link is to an Amazon listing for "AudioQuest NRG WEL Signature Series 10 Feet AC Power Cable." It's 10 foot power cord to go from the wall outlet to your super expensive audio/video equipment, computer, or whathaveyou. And it's $10,699.75 (but with FREE Shipping!). And it's just a power cable that works the same as the $6 cord you can buy at Home Depot. It's got nothing to do with guns or knives, but I think it is objectively "not worth it," and anyone who would actually buy such a thing deserves whatever derision and riducule might be heaped upon him. YMMV, of course.

The second link is to a slightly shorter and proportionately less expensive version of the same thing. I included it mainly because it has better reivews.
 
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John brought up the point I was about to. With regard to quality, something can be considered "Worth it" or "Not worth it" just fine. Another example would be a $40 Yeti Rambler, which is equal in performance and functionality and aesthetic (minus branding logos) to the Ozark Trail (Walmart) variant. There is a $30 difference for the same product (or damn well close to the same). So is it wrong to say that in that context, that the yeti cup is not worth it?

But with circumstances like those aside (two nigh identical products), I agree.
 
I totally agree and I would also add that today we live in a throw away society. Many people confuse "Worth it" with "Good enough". Also, many people buy just thinking about now. When I buy something like a gun or knife, in the back of my head I'm always thinking "When I'm gone, could this help out my wife and kids in a rough time or will it just be a worthless thing in a box full of other worthless things?".
 
John brought up the point I was about to. With regard to quality, something can be considered "Worth it" or "Not worth it" just fine. Another example would be a $40 Yeti Rambler, which is equal in performance and functionality and aesthetic (minus branding logos) to the Ozark Trail (Walmart) variant. There is a $30 difference for the same product (or damn well close to the same). So is it wrong to say that in that context, that the yeti cup is not worth it?

But with circumstances like those aside (two nigh identical products), I agree.

Just curious, have you had both? I have the 24 and 32 ounce Yeti and have been accused of having a thermal mug fetish. My Yeti's will keep ice inside the home for 12 hours easily. I have not had the Ozark Trail so I can't speak to it but I have had a ton of other varieties and these have been the best.

That said, I agree with the OP 100% and would go a step further and say even if a product is inferior it's still someone's right to own it. I'll take my Ram Rebel over that new Honda Ridgeline every day of the week, but know the Honda is a better vehicle. What's best isn't always about quality.

Not sure this is a class warfare issue because even when I was a broke kid I always saved to buy the best knife or gun I could afford. Maybe some people look at it that way though.

"The best" takes different shapes and forms for everyone. Other people should mind their business and live their own life as they see fit.


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Just curious, have you had both? I have the 24 and 32 ounce Yeti and have been accused of having a thermal mug fetish. My Yeti's will keep ice inside the home for 12 hours easily. I have not had the Ozark Trail so I can't speak to it but I have had a ton of other varieties and these have been the best.

That said, I agree with the OP 100% and would go a step further and say even if a product is inferior it's still someone's right to own it. I'll take my Ram Rebel over that new Honda Ridgeline every day of the week, but know the Honda is a better vehicle. What's best isn't always about quality.

Not sure this is a class warfare issue because even when I was a broke kid I always saved to buy the best knife or gun I could afford. Maybe some people look at it that way though.

"The best" takes different shapes and forms for everyone. Other people should mind their business and live their own life as they see fit.


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My son has one each of the larger size, can discern no difference
 
Just curious, have you had both?

I personally do not, but my dad does. We ended up doing some cross comparisons and now he has a yeti and an ozark. From handling it? The ozark is slightly lighter, but they both have a similar sound when you knock on them. So I think the main difference is slightly thicker gauge on the yeti, but not enough to warrant that much of a price. My guess? Ozark probably just doesn't have as good of QC, I bought my cup with the yeti in hand to directly compare to try to find the best comparison. They really do seem near identical between mine and his however. Lasts the same with cold (haven't tried them with anything hot however, but if they insulate the same then I imagine it'll be analogous). You can find more comparisons like that on youtube too, with varying results between brands

edit: The Ozark lasts as long as that as well.
 
My son has one each of the larger size, can discern no difference

Good to know, maybe I'll pick one up and compare for myself.


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Part of 'worth it' depends on one's means. It's sure your right to do with your possessions what you wish. Some may not have the means to even consider.
 
Well said Mike. I too am a knife collector.
I have about a dozen users, folders and fixed blades, that I carry and abuse. The rest of my collection is mint and there for my enjoyment.
I don't give a damn what people think!:p:thumbup:
 
No doubt Mike...no doubt AT ALL.

I have ALWAYS had the view of things that I will buy the best I CAN AFFORD therein lay the rub, that bar is different for each and every one of us. No doubt to me my $1K Aussie Busses (for example) are "worth it" to me. Someone once rolled out that such purchases are for the name/pride/wank value more than anything else and my retort to that (here is Aus especially) is that the vast majority of people have never heard of Busse/Swamp Rat/Scrap Yard so there I clearly get no more value out of whipping out my NMFBM (its also sterile) than I would a $15 Chinese junker...in so far as recognition goes, quite the opposite most times. Its all personal and who is one person to tell another that something is not worthy...

Now....Glock vs 1911....
 
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