"Old Knives"

Lots of great discussion and lovely knives above – this thread no doubt moves fast :)... Jeff – beauty of an old Robeson barlow!! Great showing of hunters Stuart and Charles, and Charles – great group of Hammer Brand knives, and that scitimar knife has me mesmerized ;-) … I had only seen a photo of one other and it was an Empire in tortoise shell… Mike – Another beauty of a Hammer Brand knife in jigged bone!! John – sweet old Germania knife!! With so many knives posted hope I didn’t forget any but pretty sure I hit "like" on all ;)

With that cool run of beautiful hunters posted I wanted to share this oldie – one of my favorites from American Knife Co Thomaston (1849-1911 – Note that the company started as American Knife Co Plymouth (1849) and that stamp was used until the name of the town was changed to Thomaston in 1875 – accordingly this knife was made sometime between 1875-1911 – my guess is earlier than later in that time frame). Big folder at 5 & 3/8” closed with a nice ebony handle. The blade was no doubt used and abit dull on the edge but not sure ever sharpened – just used heavily - pretty full kick and choil still noticeable and blade is very full in length in liner well. I believe the blade would be termed a saber grind as the bevel starts at the middle of blade and not the spine which also sports a double swedge. From my understanding the saber blade design was made with the notion the blade would be stronger and more durable for tough uses – many tactical and military knives I believe have saber grinds as well. Nonetheless a unique blade for a folding hunter as many were clip blades (though I have a Holley Mfg Co Lakeville hunter that also is a big spear). The use of a nail nick rather than a long pull is rather interesting to me for such a long heavy blade. Just as an aside in terms of the knife’s story :D.. - I understand this knife was found in a barn where someone had forgotten it long ago and apparently left up on the rafters for most of the 1900s and into the 21st century when it was found – considering that and all steel construction there was surprisingly little active rust but no doubt some staining – but all in all excellent shape for its age etc… Hard snapping and tight with no wobble whatsoever… Thanks for looking!!

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Cheers!
Lee
That is a great story, Lee, and a fine old knife. I agree with your surmise about the function of the saber grind. Several of the large folding hunters that I posted (NYKCo Hammer Brand, Hibbard Spencer Bartlett, Ulster, Schatt & Morgan and Queen model 35) have saber grinds on their beefy blades. It provides, essentially, an internal (and additional) spine.
- Stuart
 
Lots of great discussion and lovely knives above – this thread no doubt moves fast :)... Jeff – beauty of an old Robeson barlow!! Great showing of hunters Stuart and Charles, and Charles – great group of Hammer Brand knives, and that scitimar knife has me mesmerized ;-) … I had only seen a photo of one other and it was an Empire in tortoise shell… Mike – Another beauty of a Hammer Brand knife in jigged bone!! John – sweet old Germania knife!! With so many knives posted hope I didn’t forget any but pretty sure I hit "like" on all ;)

With that cool run of beautiful hunters posted I wanted to share this oldie – one of my favorites from American Knife Co Thomaston (1849-1911 – Note that the company started as American Knife Co Plymouth (1849) and that stamp was used until the name of the town was changed to Thomaston in 1875 – accordingly this knife was made sometime between 1875-1911 – my guess is earlier than later in that time frame). Big folder at 5 & 3/8” closed with a nice ebony handle. The blade was no doubt used and abit dull on the edge but not sure ever sharpened – just used heavily - pretty full kick and choil still noticeable and blade is very full in length in liner well. I believe the blade would be termed a saber grind as the bevel starts at the middle of blade and not the spine which also sports a double swedge. From my understanding the saber blade design was made with the notion the blade would be stronger and more durable for tough uses – many tactical and military knives I believe have saber grinds as well. Nonetheless a unique blade for a folding hunter as many were clip blades (though I have a Holley Mfg Co Lakeville hunter that also is a big spear). The use of a nail nick rather than a long pull is rather interesting to me for such a long heavy blade. Just as an aside in terms of the knife’s story :D.. - I understand this knife was found in a barn where someone had forgotten it long ago and apparently left up on the rafters for most of the 1900s and into the 21st century when it was found – considering that and all steel construction there was surprisingly little active rust but no doubt some staining – but all in all excellent shape for its age etc… Hard snapping and tight with no wobble whatsoever… Thanks for looking!!

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Cheers!
Lee

That's a great old knife Lee, and with a fairly unusual dagger ground spear point blade, neat story also.
Not many early American cutlery companies produced such a blade type and only Holley, Southington, and Excelsior come to mind.
Enclosed is an 1894 Excelsior catalog picture showing a very similar model as yours. The Excelsior does have a long nail pull, but a Southington model from 1887 has a short curved pull like yours.

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Thanks Mike, Stuart and Neal & all :thumbsup: :thumbsup: ...

Neal - Interesting Excelsior and indeed a similar blade on a coke bottle jack!!

Cheers
Lee
 
Haha - ok thanks for that Mr Jack Black my friend - and you are totally correct as I get older I'm not sure I'm getting wiser :oops:
In saying that I learnt a lot over the Rendezvous- just sitting with our friends- and the conversations.
Jack we did discuss about getting together some sort of fund raiser to get you over to one :thumbsup:

I would loved to have been there with you my friend, you are always a pleasure to listen to, and to talk with, the same as our other friends :) I don't need sponsorship, though it's a kind thought! :D :thumbsup:
 
Thanks Duckdog. I'm sure a lot more went into your cokebottles. From what I understand, stabber jacks were cheap knives that were made for people who could not afford real daggers.
 
Here's a Conn. Cutlery (Naugatuck) "stabber jack" although the top of the blade is a little hard to see in these pics.
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Awesome stabber jack Mike - and a Conn Cut is a great find!! :thumbsup: ... Great wood on that one and in a coke bottle pattern with a match striker long pull on a saber blade :cool: ... Thanks for sharing that one!

I've heard the same about stabber jacks being poor mans daggers but imagine they were used for many things given their general size - perhaps even some skinning :) ... I'll have to dig out my Southington and Empire stabber jacks and get some pics - they are not as nice as that Conn Cut but the Empire is horn handled and not one bug bite ;) ...
 
Mike, Lee, Stuart, all nice old knives, love those big hunters and jacks. Thanks for the comments on the Germania, lots of history with that one although sad history.

Picked up this Maher&Grosh 4" Congress, seller sold it as cleaned and I guess it is but if its cleaned some one sure did a great job with out rounding edges, could not find any evidence of compound in the nooks and crannies. Really a solid feeling knife with great walk and talk on all the blades, all 4 blades are stamped.

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Augie, would you call that M&G jigging Roger's bone, or what? I have a pre-war Keen Kutter with very similar jigging.
 
Great Knife John- Beautiful bone- in fact Beautiful Knife on the whole!

Hey Jeff- Rogers Bone I recall a discussion in Bernard Levines at one time- now here we go...If I remember right I think someone- it may? have been Bernard who said that there wasnt a real Bone called Rodgers Bone- just that some people called it such, I hope I dont strike a Hornets nest- it's just something I recall from quite some time ago.
 
Beautiful congress. Congrats.

Duncan, according to Bernard Levine, Rogers bone was made by the Rogers Manufacturing Company in Rockfall, Conn. (Page 21.) There was another jigged bone that we call by another name now that wasn't actually used back in the day, but it has left my memory for now.
 
Duncan, that makes sense to me, because several times I have seen very different jigging called Rogers bone. I'd just like to nail down what it actually looks like.
 
Until someone finds a sample board or something similar from Rogers, the opinions and rumors will fly! That would be a tough one to research!!
 
Mike, Lee, Stuart, all nice old knives, love those big hunters and jacks. Thanks for the comments on the Germania, lots of history with that one although sad history.

Picked up this Maher&Grosh 4" Congress, seller sold it as cleaned and I guess it is but if its cleaned some one sure did a great job with out rounding edges, could not find any evidence of compound in the nooks and crannies. Really a solid feeling knife with great walk and talk on all the blades, all 4 blades are stamped.

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That's a fine knife. I'd be proud to carry it.
 
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