"Old Knives"

[veitsi_poika]

Nice looking whittler, vp. I'm not familiar with that stamp, but I looked it up in Blade's Guide to Knives and Their Values, vol. 7, and found this:

CELEBRATED, WARRANTED, CAST STEEL,
ENGLISH STEEL, etc., without an English place name
(such as “Sheffi eld”): often indicates a knife made in
Germany or Austria-Hungary, mainly before 1891, for export
to the United States.

That is pretty much all that I found too Rachel, they used it as a way to make it seem like it is from England even though it was made in Germany. Funny story, the auction I bought this from online the seller was actually hiding the "Made in Germany" stamp in the pictures but I could see "in" and a "y" stamped on one of the blades in the pic so I PM'd him and asked "Is the file tool stamped Made in Germany?" To which he replied, probably reluctantly, "Yes". I then offered him $20 lower than his asking price and he accepted Regardless it is very nicely made knife and is really classy looking I doubt I will ever find much info on it but for now it will be my "Black Tie Event" carry knife

- Kevin

 

[Duckdog]

And a pre-Craftsman Sears brand "Sta-Sharp"... Goins has this one c.1908-1927. This is what a ~100 year old knife should look like... right? I'm sure it was a true "trapper" but when the owner realized he couldn't do much more wtih the clip blade, he decided to reshape the spey into another clip blade LoL. As @LongBlade mentioned earlier "Someone loved that knife "

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- V_P

And a heck of a swege.
- Stuart

 

[Duckdog]

Great knives you guys! What a visual treat to see these pages of “old knives” gaining greater interest and participation—keep them coming!

Mike that PH Lockback is just gorgeous!

Here is a Pacific Hardware English Jack I have for your I hope viewing pleasure. First old folder I have posted here in the this thread in the New Year! Although some prior owner buffed and polished it I think it is still an attractive vintage folder. Pacific Hardware & Steel Company circa 1901–1918 Main office San Francisco (Goins). This jack is 4.5 inches closed. Has great pick/gouge type bone handles and the blade are full with no loss. Thanks for looking!
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Dang, that's a really nice looking knife. It looks happy to me.
- Stuart

 

[Duckdog]

Picked up this beauty the other day... don't know much about it but it sure is a nice looking whittler! Feel and snap are

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Anybody familiar with this tang stamp?

- V_P

Beautiful!!
- Stuart

 

[Jack Black]

Good old Ulster S-K. It dates to around the 1920s / 1930s.
Enclosed is an illustration from 1926 which shows essentially your model with a federal shield, but the model below has the same propeller shield as yours.

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Great info Herder, I love seeing those old catalogue cuts

That's a really good looking sleeve board model, Jack. Great handle and shield, and nice condition to boot.

Thank you very much my friend

Herder my friend I was just about to comment on Jack's William Morton as well- thats a great looking Knife- I really like the elongated Federal Shield ( if that would be the correct terminology to use ) It looks as thought that could be in dimension a real battle field Shield!
Sorry if that sounds silly!

Thanks Duncan

Picked up this beauty the other day... don't know much about it but it sure is a nice looking whittler! Feel and snap are

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Anybody familiar with this tang stamp?

- V_P

Nice looking whittler, vp. I'm not familiar with that stamp, but I looked it up in Blade's Guide to Knives and Their Values, vol. 7, and found this:

CELEBRATED, WARRANTED, CAST STEEL,
ENGLISH STEEL, etc., without an English place name
(such as “Sheffi eld”): often indicates a knife made in
Germany or Austria-Hungary, mainly before 1891, for export
to the United States.

That is pretty much all that I found too Rachel, they used it as a way to make it seem like it is from England even though it was made in Germany. Funny story, the auction I bought this from online the seller was actually hiding the "Made in Germany" stamp in the pictures but I could see "in" and a "y" stamped on one of the blades in the pic so I PM'd him and asked "Is the file tool stamped Made in Germany?" To which he replied, probably reluctantly, "Yes". I then offered him $20 lower than his asking price and he accepted Regardless it is very nicely made knife and is really classy looking I doubt I will ever find much info on it but for now it will be my "Black Tie Event" carry knife

- Kevin

Beautiful Whittler Kevin I actually come across quite a lot of German knives with these sort of tang-stamps, also with 'Foreign' added, (at times in the early 20th century when that might have been preferential to 'Made in Germany'). It's frustrating not to have the maker, but they are often beautiful knives, with covers of MOP or tortoiseshell.

Heres is a knife that may not stand out as a spectactular knife- but to me it is, here in New Zealand we do come across the odd Military Rope/ClaspKnife- and I just love seeing Jacks posts- as our Jack has a great deal of these- and man are they robust tough Knives- certainly ones to respect as having a great importance in the History of Man in Warfare.
I saw this wade and Butcher Giant come up and I wanted it, this is a beat of a knife and considerably bigger than the "usual" Military issue Knife that we see, this guy is 5 inches closed and weighs a TON!
On the Mark side it is stamped Wade &, Butcher, Sheffield, England. On the Pile side it has the Stampings of the circled B, the Arrow, then the Maltese Cross, with 1936 stamped underneath, now I am not too sure but suspect the 1936 is not a date but pattern- this comes up often- but I place this knife around this era.
On the Marlin Spike it has the Ordnance Stamp and a 6, it would be great to find records as these numbers have meanings as into what particular unit etc these Knives may have been issued to..
Bakelite Handles Im sure although I havent looked too much into this as of yet, Copper Bail as many of the WW issued Knife like this had.

Boy...The guys in the day must have had Nails on their hands that could pull nails from planks- Strong Pull!!

The Blade is nearly full, the snap will take your fingers of if caught in the wrong place- Whew! This is a great knife and I am glad to have it as there is not many of these around- that I have seen anyway - this is not to say they are not out there, but I doubt they are plentiful.

I took a photo of the Wade and Butcher with some of it's Cousins, Directly Below the Wade and Butcher ( Top Knife ). is a very early Stag Stamped: Harrison's,Brothers,&Howson, below the Harrisons is a Early Jigged Bone C. Johnson, Brothers ( I have rarely seen the full BROTHERS stamped with CJ Knives ), Below the C. Johnson is A Stag Handled very Early Encore which has a very busy stamped Ricasso.
To the Right is a Horn handled Ibberson, below the Ibberson is a Nicely Main Blade Stamped I*XL.
The knives to the left are a Ordnance Stamped Watts, Sheefield, and below the Watts is a Wraggs, Sheffield with the Copper Bail.
Also is a genuine Lanyard from the WW2 days very kindly gifted to me by the one and only Jack Black!

Beautiful collection Duncan, and your Wade & Butcher is an excellent example of the British 6353 pattern (1905-1939). Are you sure the covers are synthetic, they may be buffalo horn, like this H.M. Slater from 1938.



I need to rephotograph my clasp knife collection, as most of the pics I have are old and not very good, and many of my clasp knives, I don't even have pics of

 

[veitsi_poika]

Beautiful Whittler Kevin I actually come across quite a lot of German knives with these sort of tang-stamps, also with 'Foreign' added, (at times in the early 20th century when that might have been preferential to 'Made in Germany'). It's frustrating not to have the maker, but they are often beautiful knives, with covers of MOP or tortoiseshell.

Thanks for the info Jack I was hoping you would have some info to support the theory that @r8shell and I were working on Great knife of your own there! Does the name "EF&E" mean anything to you? My wife picked up a really old Barlow with EF&E on the bolster and it mentions England on a faint blade etch. I will post a photo later
- Kevin

 

[galvanic1882]

Great knives you guys! What a visual treat to see these pages of “old knives” gaining greater interest and participation—keep them coming!

Mike that PH Lockback is just gorgeous!

Here is a Pacific Hardware English Jack I have for your I hope viewing pleasure. First old folder I have posted here in the this thread in the New Year! Although some prior owner buffed and polished it I think it is still an attractive vintage folder. Pacific Hardware & Steel Company circa 1901–1918 Main office San Francisco (Goins). This jack is 4.5 inches closed. Has great pick/gouge type bone handles and the blade are full with no loss. Thanks for looking!
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Great knives all! Lloyd those 2 you posted are great but I have soft spot for the PH English jack, I know what you mean about the polishing and your right still a beauty!!

 

[Jack Black]

Thanks for the info Jack I was hoping you would have some info to support the theory that @r8shell and I were working on Great knife of your own there! Does the name "EF&E" mean anything to you? My wife picked up a really old Barlow with EF&E on the bolster and it mentions England on a faint blade etch. I will post a photo later
- Kevin

Thanks for the compliment Kevin That sounds like it might be a Furness Barlow Kevin, do you have a photo by any chance? I am related to the Furness family of Stannington, and have posted quite a bit of info in Charlie's Barlow thread in the past

 

[veitsi_poika]

Thanks for the compliment Kevin That sounds like it might be a Furness Barlow Kevin, do you have a photo by any chance? I am related to the Furness family of Stannington, and have posted quite a bit of info in Charlie's Barlow thread in the past

Very excellent Jack! I will post a couple pictures later since I am in a heated battle of Yahtzee with my Mom currently I think you are spot on though because I remember seeing something regarding Furness on the etch.

- Kevin

 

[Jack Black]

Very excellent Jack! I will post a couple pictures later since I am in a heated battle of Yahtzee with my Mom currently I think you are spot on though because I remember seeing something regarding Furness on the etch.

LOL! Look forward to seeing it Kevin

 

[Duckdog]

Great knife Stuart! Looks like one for the "Stag Saturday" thread Does it have brass or steel liners?

Thanks, Kevin. I need to remember the stag thread more often. That Kutmaster stockman has brass liners.
- Stuart

 

[Bartleby]

Sorry mis-posted

 

[Bartleby]

That sounds like it might be a Furness Barlow Kevin, do you have a photo by any chance? I am related to the Furness family of Stannington, and have posted quite a bit of info in Charlie's Barlow thread in the past

Jack, has anyone determined the years Enos was producing? I recall he was born in 1835 and the company (& Son) produced until 1915 from previous posts, but I am interested in when Enos was active. Also, as a more general question: about what year did integral liners and bolsters stop being the norm on Sheffield Barlows? Levine states in one place 1860, and in another 1870.

 

[Bartleby]

I will post a couple pictures later since I am in a heated battle of Yahtzee with my Mom currently I think you are spot on though because I remember seeing something regarding Furness on the etch.

I look forward to seeing your knife, these older Barlows are rarely seen!

 

[veitsi_poika]

I look forward to seeing your knife, these older Barlows are rarely seen!

Jack Black
Alas here are the pictures of the Enos Furness & Sons barlow... the blades have no snap, the walk needs a cane and the talk just sounds like mumbled gibberish but it is rusty gold to us Credit goes to my wife on this one



- Kevin

 

[veitsi_poika]

Jack Black
Alas here are the pictures of the Enos Furness & Sons barlow... the blades have no snap, the walk needs a cane and the talk just sounds like mumbled gibberish but it is rusty gold to us Credit goes to my wife on this one

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- Kevin

P.S. Mr Kitty approves of the EF&S barlow



- Kevin

 

[Jack Black]

Jack, has anyone determined the years Enos was producing? I recall he was born in 1835 and the company (& Son) produced until 1915 from previous posts, but I am interested in when Enos was active. Also, as a more general question: about what year did integral liners and bolsters stop being the norm on Sheffield Barlows? Levine states in one place 1860, and in another 1870.

I'm sorry Bart, but my memory is terrible these days, and my mind has kind of wandered away from the Furness clan I do recall posting about them in Charlie's thread some time back (posts are probably best read in reverse order): https://www.bladeforums.com/search/...st&o=date&c[user][0]=150652&c[thread]=1009441 I'm afraid I'm not qualified to answer the second question though

Alas here are the pictures of the Enos Furness & Sons barlow... the blades have no snap, the walk needs a cane and the talk just sounds like mumbled gibberish but it is rusty gold to us Credit goes to my wife on this one

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- Kevin

Definitely a keeper Kevin Knife too! I can see why you took that 'S' for an 'E'. You have a piece of history there my friend

 

[Bartleby]

Jack Black
Alas here are the pictures of the Enos Furness & Sons barlow... the blades have no snap, the walk needs a cane and the talk just sounds like mumbled gibberish but it is rusty gold to us Credit goes to my wife on this one

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- Kevin

Great shape for its age though! The bone is still intact, and no parts are missing, that makes it quite a survivor. Your wife did well! Nice!

 

[Bartleby]

Mr Kitty approves of the EF&S barlow

He knows his stuff! My earlier mis-post was under the influence of my cat, Gypsy.

 

[Bartleby]

I'm sorry Bart, but my memory is terrible these days, and my mind has kind of wandered away from the Furness clan I do recall posting about them in Charlie's thread some time back (posts are probably read in reverse order): https://www.bladeforums.com/search/...st&o=date&c[user][0]=150652&c[thread]=1009441 I'm afraid I'm not qualified to answer the second question though

It would be interesting to figure out, Russell made a point, in an early history they put out, about how much faster swaging the bolsters under steam power was, one of the reasons they could become competitive.