Old Wrecks

Great thread. These wrecks are some of my favourite knives.
Clockwise. Unmarked or pitted away pruner,maybe a Peach pruner. Case and SON little valley NY. This mark was used between 1902 and 1905, Rodgers C 1830 Guillotine quill knife, Rodgers tiny senator, Challenge cut co FJ, cover missing on the reverse, and an 18th century Italian knife, dug up in my back yard. :D

Have a great day folks.
Best regards

Robin
 
Great bunch of knives Robin, that Italian knife is very interesting :thumbup:

With the title "Old Wrecks" I first thought I needed to post a picture of myself :)

:D :thumbup:

I picked up this old Boker TL-29 a few weeks back, though if it hadn't been part of a deal I'd have probably passed as someone has made a real mess of the blade.



 
This old Schrade is still usable, the blades are tight and sharpened up nice.
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Great thread. These wrecks are some of my favourite knives.
Clockwise. Unmarked or pitted away pruner,maybe a Peach pruner. Case and SON little valley NY. This mark was used between 1902 and 1905, Rodgers C 1830 Guillotine quill knife, Rodgers tiny senator, Challenge cut co FJ, cover missing on the reverse, and an 18th century Italian knife, dug up in my back yard. :D

Have a great day folks.
Best regards

Robin

Great knives, thanks for sharing. I remember that Italian 1800's knife you dug up in your yard. That's one of the most fascinating knife-find stories I've seen. Wasn't it about 3 feet down from the current surface? That's amazing!
 
Great knives, thanks for sharing. I remember that Italian 1800's knife you dug up in your yard. That's one of the most fascinating knife-find stories I've seen. Wasn't it about 3 feet down from the current surface? That's amazing!

Hello AZman, Yes it was down about 3 feet in a pocket of sand. I always thought it was an "indian" trade knife because of te rocker engaving which was common on early trade pieces. It was Bernard Levine who Identified it as Italian 18th century. The knife is in pretty good condition considering it was underground for Many years, I figure at least 50 years at the time of finding it.

Best regards

Robin
 
Did Bernie call that Italian knife a Stivale, Robin??
 
That's a fascinating story Robin, do you have any theories about its history and how it might have come to be buried?
 
Hello AZman, Yes it was down about 3 feet in a pocket of sand. I always thought it was an "indian" trade knife because of te rocker engaving which was common on early trade pieces. It was Bernard Levine who Identified it as Italian 18th century. The knife is in pretty good condition considering it was underground for Many years, I figure at least 50 years at the time of finding it.

Best regards

Robin

I will be over with a backho to do some light digging in your yard Robin. :D:eek:
 
I will be over with a backho to do some light digging in your yard Robin. :D:eek:

Seriousy! I'd be researching the history of that property. My bet is that it's been there since the late 1700's or early 1800's. Being 3' below the surface is a LONG time. Unless it was lost/dropped into a privy that was on that spot. A pocket of sand? Was it otherwise surrounded by a different type of soil? A fascinating knife!

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Barlow content :)
 
Old Schrade, secondary blade is broken at the tang
Other scale looks just as good though, $5 pawn shop find

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Seriousy! I'd be researching the history of that property. My bet is that it's been there since the late 1700's or early 1800's. Being 3' below the surface is a LONG time. Unless it was lost/dropped into a privy that was on that spot. A pocket of sand? Was it otherwise surrounded by a different type of soil? A fascinating knife!

Jack and AZman.
As I mentioned I thought for years that the knife was an early trade knife because of the rocker engraving which was found on early trade silver and other metal trade pieces. (see silver pin). At the time I lived on Lake Simcoe which had been surveyed by 1792 and was a First Nations area and a MAJOR Trading area for very early First Nations peoples. A few years after my find a site was discovered about 15 miles away that was a trade centre. The initial dig found a set of obsidian spear points from California another find was a Florida Alligator effigy Pipe. It is thought that the site was the northern end of the Mississippi trade route.
Now that I know what the knifes origin is I doubt it has any connection to early trade or travel ;-(((
My house was an old turn of the century 1905 built cottage, in the early 50s or late 40s the cottage had a foundation put under it. I'm pretty sure the sand was dumped around the foundation for drainage. In the early 50s it was mainly Italian workers who did cement work. While I can't imagine anyone carrying an 18th century knife, I figure it had to have been dropped by a workman building the foundation.

BTW, between the steel liners and the brass covers there is a layer of horn.

"Did Bernie call that Italian knife a Stivale, Robin?? "

Bernard didn't use that name Charlie but someone contacted me about the knife and I believe they called it a Stivale.


Best regards

Robin
 
Many thanks for re-telling the tale Robin, very interesting, and greatly appreciated :thumbup:

My house was built by Sir Walter Scott*, I'm tempted to have a good dig in the garden to see if I can find any stray sgian dubhs! :D :thumbup


* - He speculated in property building, rather than actually getting his hands dirty! ;)
 
Here is a pre-1900 Stivale, to compare to Robin's relic.
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It was made during a time when points weren't allowed, so there was a round "lentil" forged on the end of the blade (which was usually ground off later, as it was here.) That pointless "No Point" law, flipped back and forth over the decades. Yes - no - yes - no - sigh!!
 
Very interesting Charlie, not heard of these knives before :thumbup:
 
Here is a pre-1900 Stivale, to compare to Robin's relic.
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It was made during a time when points weren't allowed, so there was a round "lentil" forged on the end of the blade (which was usually ground off later, as it was here.) That pointless "No Point" law, flipped back and forth over the decades. Yes - no - yes - no - sigh!!

Wow, that's a very neat knife Charlie,love those exterior springs. Is Stivale a town or area in Italy?

Best regards

Robin
 
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