Olympics becoming a bad-taste farce?

Ad Astra said:
The Olympics should be left alone. It's the only time the world leaves nationalistic nonsense behind to come together... ironically, to compete against one another.

Is China's invasion and repression of Tibet wrong? Resounding yes.


Mike
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The olympics have always been a stage for political dissent of one form or another. There's no such thing as leaving nationalistic nonsense behind in reference to the games.

Bett
 
China took Tibet for the mountains to protect theit nuclear arsenal. [ fact ]

The Olympics have always been political. It happened with the Germans / Russians.........remember?

I don't like the BS but there you are!
 
bdws1975 said:
The olympics have always been a stage for political dissent of one form or another. There's no such thing as leaving nationalistic nonsense behind in reference to the games.

Bett
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I thought the olympics are supposed to be a stage for athletes to compete. It was a nice plan, anyways. Having nations come together, sending their finest young people to compete in sport, instead of killing one another.

Since we can't live in peace, that is. You can see that's out of the question.


Mike
 
The first olympics were nations sending their young people to pretend they were killing each other. All of the original olympic events were military in nature.
Spear throwing, sword fighting, wrestling, discus, pankration, chariot racing, boxing...
 
Ad Astra said:
I thought the olympics are supposed to be a stage for athletes to compete. It was a nice plan, anyways. Having nations come together, sending their finest young people to compete in sport, instead of killing one another.

Since we can't live in peace, that is. You can see that's out of the question.


Mike
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Hey Mike,

Please don't take my post wrong. I AGREE with you wholeheartedly. it's a sad state of our world, and probably always has been. Living in peace is one thing the human race has DEFINITELY NOT figured out.

Brett
 
DannyinJapan said:
they have cancelled the torch ceremony in san francisco.
they said something about having another ceremony in secret.
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does a tree falling in the forest with no one watching it make a noise?
what is the sound of one hand clapping?

they changed the route at the last minute leaving supporters, protesters, and the media along the old route looking bewildered.
 
"We were cheated, because I think the meaning of the relay was to show the whole world that our country is hosting the Olympics," said Michael Huo, 30, a Chinese engineer working at a Silicon Valley start-up company.
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I assume this man meant China. He lives here, works here, is probably an American citizen, but refers to China as "his" country.
 
Sort of going farce right now. But the flame is moving to other countries where one can expect the protests to be muted somewhat.

Bully on SFPD for outwitting folks all over but a ceremony at SFIA just isn't the same.
 
The whole idea of bringing the torch to the olympics as being done now was first done in 1936, and the idea was a publicity stunt from a well known figure called Goebbels, that was Hitlers minister of propaganda. So this is actually something from Nazi-Germany. Gives a somewhat bitter taste doesnt it?

It is said that we shouldnt make politics of the Olympics, but what if China does so? As they a matter of fact do. I demonstrated two weeks ago outside the Chinese Embassy, I want them to start a dialogue with Dalai Lama and not to have the torch go through Tibet. Boycotts, I really dont know how effective they would be. Its better to go there saying: Ok this and this is great but we dont like what you are doing in Tibet (amongst many things), better option then just staying at home I think. In that case China really couldnt care less. The swedish committe for Tibet have urged visitors to China to wear the white Tibeten scarf, that symbolises sympathy with the tibetean cause. Or perhaps I am wrong its a difficult question, but boycott or not they must start a dialogue.

Edit: I checked the source (Swedish state television) again about the Nazi past, it was Goebbels that aproved of the idea but it was not really his from the beginning.
 
While the world economy in general heads into a decline and China continues to grow into THE world power, governments and business will turn a blind eye to what is being done and bow their heads with outstretched hands and take thier share of the mighty Yen.

Want to support Tibet, don't buy another item with MADE IN CHINA on it. Trust me - it won't be as easy as you would think.

*sorry if this is too political but China as THE world power scares the sh*t out of me*
 
While the world economy in general heads into a decline and China continues to grow into THE world power, governments and business will turn a blind eye to what is being done and bow their heads with outstretched hands and take thier share of the mighty Yen.
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Perhaps not just on manufactured goods, either.....
The thought of the Murdoch media empire teaming up with Microsoft - albeit for an at present limited objective - is pretty scarey, especially given Murdoch's amicably lucrative association with the Chinese regime. The model is there....
If it is allowed to happen, then thanks to the power of near-monopoly of interests, would access to data via the internet become progressively more censored in the "free world"?

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article3718821.ece
April 10, 2008
News Corp and AOL tipped to enter Yahoo! fight
extract:
Yahoo! is understood to be talking to Time Warner about a potential white knight deal to see off Microsoft's hostile $39.4 billion bid for the internet group.
However, Microsoft is itself said to be discussing the possibility of teaming up with Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation, the parent company of The Times, to boost its own chances of a successful move on Yahoo!
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China invaded Tibet in 1950. China had "always" regarded Tibet as a Chinese province, although they had been thrown out in the 8th century, IIRC. The "liberation" of Tibet had been announced in 1949, shortly after expulsion of the Nationalists. It wasn't much of a military contest. We were busy elsewhere. The world protested. :yawn:



Here is how China describes the "father" of their A-Bomb, developed after Tibet had been "liberated." Note where he got his Phd in physics:

Deng Jiaxian was born on June 25, 1924 in Huaining, Anhui Province, and died on July 29, 1986 in Beijing. He was a nuclear physics expert and academician of China Academy of Sciences.

He graduated from the physics department of the National South-West Associated University in 1945. In 1950, 26-year-old Deng was granted doctorate in physics in the United States and returned to serve the motherland with the advanced physics knowledge at that time.

He was the deputy research of Modern Physics Institute of China Academy of Sciences, deputy academic secretary of Physics, Math and Chemistry Department of China Academy of Sciences, President, vice president and researcher of the Ninth Research and Design Institute under the Ministry of Nuclear Industry, deputy director of the Ministry of Nuclear Industry, deputy director of the Science and Technique Advisory Committee under Commission of Science Technology and Industry for National Defense. He joined the Chinese Communist Party (CPC) in 1956.

Deng Jiaxian, who devoted his youth to the construction of China's nuclear defense force, made great contributions to the development of China's atom and hydrogen bombs. Deng spent 28 years in the forefront of China's nuclear weapons' development and performed outstanding exploits for the successful tests of China's first atom bomb and hydrogen bomb to be used as weapons.
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And no, sadly "they" don't "have to" participate in a "dialog" with the Tibetans -- or anyone else. Our supposed values are not their supposed values. Conquerer's prerogative applies. "What do we want of you? We want you to die."
 
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