once again Ive had someone back out of a deal and other wierdness

Ren the devils trailboss

Ren the devils trailboss

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1. had a loser agree to take a knife by saying the magic words " Ill take it" but then when trying to resolve the ol paypal or money order issue..no response..then a email saying that he has changed his mind and is looking for a fixed blade..this steams me..and this person goes on my "word document of shame" list never to be sold to again..question that I have is that this loser is probably trying to buy a knife off other members of this forum..should he be revealed..hmmmm

2.Lots of wierd questions from people who never seem to ever make an offer or buy a knife..one email asking for pictures of mirror finish blade on sebenza..man look at the darn pic I posted..another asking if all bob lum tantos had ats 55 steel..how the heck should I know..this is the dam internet find out for yourself..
dont get me wrong if I have ommitted this information and its crucial in your purchase decison of course I will answer..but I have this one wierdo..asks about 5 questions about said knife posted but never buys..last email he sent me I politely told him no more questions unless he is serious..your thoughts??
 
Ren

I've only purchased on BladeForums so I can't give you the perspective of a seller. However, I personally don't believe in asking lots of questions. If I see a knife I want, I make the decision to purchase and go ahead. I don't try to get the seller to convince me to make the purchase. If there isn't enough information provided, I usually just pass on that one.

I think the difference is that I don't treat buying production knives in the same way I would treat buying a car or a house. Even if the knife isn't quite as discribed, or I don't know exactly what steel the blade is, how much money am I really out on the deal.

I guess I personally don't feel the need to kick the tires and himmm and haaahhhh before finally making the decision on a relatively low dollar value decision.

I also believe that after saying "I'll take it" I should follow through on the commitment I have made.

p.s. You still sure you won't sell to Canada ;)
 
I sure hope this ain't the end asking questions and getting answers...I, for one, don't know as much about knives as most of the folks who frequent BF. I am interested, though, and about the only way I know to learn is to ask. Also, I would rather receive information from some of the "regulars" on BF than take my chances with an unknown source, however credible it might appear. Cautious by nature, I generally ask a bunch of questions to make sure I understand what I'm getting into...so far everyone's obliged, much to my interest and enlightenment. I'm not sure I concur with the old addage, "the only stupid question is the one not asked," but it certainly has merit. I guess there's a point where the questions become tiresome and it becomes obvious the perspective buyer isn't really serious...sounds like that's where you ended up. I also agree that when someone says, "I'll take it," seems like they just entered a contract and incurred some obligation to see it through. The reality is, it ain't done til the merchandise/$ changes hands...and from what I've seen in GB&U, even then it ain't done til both parties are happy. Seems reasonable. You've done many more transactions than I, so I'll end before presuming to give you advice on dealing knives. I just hope those of you who are experts in this field don't start begrudging us newbies the benefit of your experience.
 
Good points HalDir..and again I have no problems answering questions..but recently I had a knife up for sale and this one person asked no kidding 12 questions about this knife..tying up email my time etc..and most of the information about this knife you could have found on the net..then ..poof! this person just dissapears..no resposes to my email if he/she wants said knife or not..thentwo months later..this person appears again with the same "genre" of questions..stuff he could easily find himself..this time I answered three questions (three seperate emails) then told the clown that Either he buy the knife or stop asking questions..there is caution but honestly I was wondering if this guy was just a whacko, or someone trolling..
 
1. had a loser agree to take a knife by saying the magic words " Ill take it" but then when trying to resolve the ol paypal or money order issue..no response..then a email saying that he has changed his mind and is looking for a fixed blade..this steams me..and this person goes on my "word document of shame" list never to be sold to again..question that I have is that this loser is probably trying to buy a knife off other members of this forum..should he be revealed..hmmmm
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Reveal his name, Ren.

Do your fellow members a favor, so if they decide to deal with this person, they can be aware. By agreeing to purchase the knife, this person also prevented you from considering other offers, and possibly cost you money, not to mention the time involved. If you tried to resolve this with him privately to no avail, then all of us need to be informed, so we don't waste our time.

Sure, there are extenuating circumstances, but from what you have indicated he simply weaseled out of the deal, and made an excuse.

Not a good person to deal with IMHO.
 
As a professional e-retailer, sometimes these things get on my nerves too. Although, since I get paid for this stuff, I'll normally oblige a more than generous amount of questions.

An individual, however, shouldn't be expected to have "ultimate knowledge" of their occasional knife for sale. I'd advise that questions pertaining to the overall quality of the specific item for sale should go to the seller, and questions concerning manufacture and technical specifications should go to the respective manufacturer.

Now, the ones that get me are those that spend a couple of days asking many questions about a knife, then after they've "drained us of knowledge" , come back with "oh, and by the way, I saw this same knife over at "somewhere else" for $0.75 cheaper. Will you beat their price ?"
 
When I sell a knife I try to place as much descriptive info, in the for sale thread, as I can. All in an attempt to inform the prospective buyers about the item for sale. It also keeps the questions down.

On a rare occasion. . . .someone will attempt to flood the e-mail account with numerous questions. But that is very very rare (at least for me). ;) And there isn't much to do about it except answer their questions.

No matter how much info that a seller provides, changes price, shipping agreements, etc. . . .we will always experience a buyer who will have buyers remorse, cold feet, or change of heart.

It's just part of the buy/sell game.

Yeah. . .it sucks. . .but there is nothing that a seller can do. . .except to press on and attempt to sell the item.

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Reveal his name, Ren.
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I disagree.

While the buyer said that he'd take it. . .funds and/or trade items didn't change hands. Hence, all that Ren lost. . .was a possible sale. No harm (so to speak) ~ no foul. Again. . .it sucks. . .but there is nothing that a seller can do. . .except to press on and attempt to sell the item to another buyer.

It would be a different story if Ren had shipped the knife and the buyer didn't send payment or the agreed trade item(s).

And just because a "certain buyer" gets buyers remorse, cold feet, or has a change of heart once. . .doesn't mean that this person will do it continually.

Nor should he/she be labeled, on this forum, as such.

I think that Ren is on track. . .by placing this person on "Ren's "word document of shame list."
 
Post his/her name. Like mentioned earlier, this dunderhead agreed to buy the knife, weazled out and prevented you from selling your knife to someone else. I would like to know the identity of this individual, so that I can avoid a repeat of your situation.
 
If someone posts "I will take it" they should live up to that.I have asked questions on a purchase but only about the condition of the piece and maybe blade steel and other need to know things if they weren't posted.I always go and check out all other things on the net.
 
I've done a few trades/transactions (both buying n selling). Personally, I like to ask questions and I don't mind answering them - we are after all, knifeknuts! ;) sometimes it will get tiresome, but I like sharing info - I've always hoped that others do too. I'm quite particular about edge condition, liners rubbing, blade centering, blade tip, lock-up, ball detent strength, blade/handle condition, sharpness and will ask questions pertaining to such.

I've had the experience of someone telling me that a knife was NIB but as it turned out, it may have been NIB (benefit of doubt) but it sure as hell wasn't perfect/acceptable condition as I had in mind.

As for backing out, that's bad form...but perhaps there was a real circumstance. If you had agreed in principle to buy, but suddenly were short of funds, would you still go ahead and make the purchase? Surely not - the worst of things happens to the best of us. But I think that the person should be straight with you and explain the situation. After all, unless you've really lost a deal with another person, there's no real loss yet, right?

To cover the last situation - I always tell the prospective buyers where they stand in the line, and when I can confirm if they are still have a chance. I'm quite transparent that way.

Anyways, I'm new to the buying/selling over the forums - so far, it's been an enjoyable experience. Even if the deal wasn't made, I've enjoyed corresponding with other knifeknuts.

Ren,
BTW, the lum tanto is also in VG10 ;) but they were with G10 scales, not titanium. Hope you will consider selling out of the US someday - you've got quite a nice collection there.
 
I have decided not to reveal the guy who backed out of the deal..heres why

1. He does not appear to be a member of this board..thus a newbie
2. based on this newbie..I ragged on him in a email and explained the rules..hopefully hes more informed
3. I sold the knife
4. I have made some faux paus on this board before..no one is perfect..willing to call this inexperience..

Ren
 
Ren, I think you're doing right, for the right reasons. It doesn't pay to blackball someone starting out, if they're willing to learn from their mistakes.

Most of the regulars here know how to post a knife, but I see some ads that seem to assume their model is the only model, and when I'm interested, I have to ask, serrated or plain edge? Steel or Zytel handle? I mean, no picture, no description of condition, why am I even thinking about buying from this guy?

I'm glad you started the thread, and I hope the people who need to read it pay attention.
 
I wish I knew everything so I'd never have to ask questions and I wish I could control my destiny so that I would never have to change my mind....
 
jsciii

your missing the point..I dont mind questions..I encourage them..but to ask a guy 15 questions in 15 different emails about stuff that a little reasearch on the web could as easily answer..and then not to buy or make an offer on said knife..bad news..get it?

Ren
 
A person selling a knife is not where someone should be going to get an education about knives. If you are interested in the knife and there are some valid questions that you have, then ask them. If you are not interested in the knife, then don't waste the time of the person selling it. Pretty simple really.
 
I don't normally post in this area, but I feel I could add something to this.

An over abundance of questions is annoying but it's part of the game. If I had a dollar for every question I get asked I wouldn't need to sell or trade any of my knives, I could just buy new ones. Thank you for not identifying the person who asked you the questions, No need to start a witch hunt.

Also, If you take the time to fully identify a knife or item you sell you may not get alot of questions via email. Things to include would be a model number, edge type and a detailed desription of the knives condition. I'm not saying you don't do this but that I think everyone should or at least try to.

Another thing, mistakes happen and people have different ideas about how to relate to other people.

For Example, I just completed a trade for a knife that was supposed to have a plain-edge. Lo and behold when I got it, it was serrated. The reason it happened was because the person trading it didn't indicate the model number (which would have had an "S" or "P" in there) and posted a link to a web site that displayed a plain-edge version of the knife. I assumed it was plain-edge, so is it my mistake for not asking or his mistake for posting the wrong pic? Who knows, but the way we resolved it is what counts. We are now both happy with our trades.

Hope I didn't get to off topic with this and that it helps someone:)

Thanks for reading this!:D
 
I've had some people back out of a knife buy because they say something personal has come up. I take their word for it, because it's happened to me. Sometimes life deals you $hit luck and money you were once saving has to go and replace a necessity, like when I had my tires slashed for no other apparent reason other than some d!ck on campus decided it'd be funny. It may or may not be true, but I give people the benefit of the doubt. I don't burn much energy typing in, "oh it's ok, I understand" along with a BTTT.

I do get annoyed though, when people ask 10+ questions then lowball you bigtime, like offering a Spyderco Endura and 10 Surefire batteries for a Dawson knife.:rolleyes:
 
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