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Fellas, Terribly Sorry if you figure I had jacked this thread
And ruffled some feathers in the process with my input.
Was only trying to share related information of what I had happen to chance upon....
Not my intention to cause friction between the buck fraternity here.
 
VorpalRain said:
Girlyman gave you links to show that the Nighthawk was submitted to the Navy to compete for an edged weapons contract.

So you were wrong. It's not a big deal. Everybody is wrong once in a while.

You entered this thread criticizing and misrepresenting what I said. There are better ways to participate.

So relax. Have fun. We all learn from each other.
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Vorpal, I think it's your tone that rocks everyone the wrong way. I dont know if it on purpose or by accident.
 
GIRLYmann said:
Fellas, Terribly Sorry if you figure I had jacked this thread
And ruffled some feathers in the process with my input.
Was only trying to share related information of what I had happen to chance upon....
Not my intention to cause friction between the buck fraternity here.
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GIRLYmann said:
Back to the 119...
http://www.militaryfightingknives.com/collection/f97.jpg
Currently unaware of any government issued special,
Till then, Guess I stand corrected for the longest of time
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/119-in-vietnam.297624/
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You didn't...Some of this has been boiling for a long time...I appreciate your contributions and so do others, I like lively discussions where everyone comes in with something constructive...
Maybe I do drum up controversy but I can back up most of what I say and when someone corrects me I appreciate it...

Thank You for all your input, Please keep them coming and jump in any conversation, it would be a pleasure listening to what you have to say or have found. To me all information is important, right or wrong, left or right that's what the forum is all about, I think anyway.

Don
 
sassafrassdogs3 said:
As far as the Knight Hawk is concerned, who was the source of this information? If Buck was working that closely with the Navy why isn't there any documentation from the parties involved? Coincidence??
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You must have missed this......among other things. You're in a hole and your best bet is to stop digging.

Hello Duane,
I am not sure what it is that you are asking? I'll type some more though and see if I answer your question. ;-) I know that we would not have started a production run through the shop in anticipation of a military contract. The contract would contain info pertinant to the manufacture so there is no way we would have started without one.
The 650 came out about 2 years after we changed from 425mod to 420hc. So why does the catalog say it was made of 425mod in 94 and 95? In the 96 catalog it doesnt mention the steel type and we can surmise that in 96 they were made of 420hc. I might be able to find someone here that remembers the project and can shed some light. In the meantime, my theory is that when we pitched the idea of the 650, the steel type made sense for the military's aplication. Even though they did not pick the 650, when we went to production of it we decided that we would keep the same steel type since it made sense for the military and it could be a marketing point that the knife met a majority of their requirements. After a couple of years we switched.
Another possibility is that we had a boat load of 425mod in the proper thickness and decided to use it all up on the 650.
Either is possible and they may both be true.
I hope this helps.

Joe Houser
Director of Consumer relations Buck Knives Inc.
Buck Collectors club Liaison, Member #123

 
VorpalRain said:
You must have missed this......among other things. You're in a hole and your best bet is to stop digging.

Hello Duane,
I am not sure what it is that you are asking? I'll type some more though and see if I answer your question. ;-) I know that we would not have started a production run through the shop in anticipation of a military contract. The contract would contain info pertinant to the manufacture so there is no way we would have started without one.
The 650 came out about 2 years after we changed from 425mod to 420hc. So why does the catalog say it was made of 425mod in 94 and 95? In the 96 catalog it doesnt mention the steel type and we can surmise that in 96 they were made of 420hc. I might be able to find someone here that remembers the project and can shed some light. In the meantime, my theory is that when we pitched the idea of the 650, the steel type made sense for the military's aplication. Even though they did not pick the 650, when we went to production of it we decided that we would keep the same steel type since it made sense for the military and it could be a marketing point that the knife met a majority of their requirements. After a couple of years we switched.
Another possibility is that we had a boat load of 425mod in the proper thickness and decided to use it all up on the 650.
Either is possible and they may both be true.
I hope this helps.

Joe Houser
Director of Consumer relations Buck Knives Inc.
Buck Collectors club Liaison, Member #123
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Vorpil you're the one in the hole.
Did you even read what you just posted? Did you understand what you read? Where is it stated they went after a Military Contract? Did you read the part where Joe said: "they would not have started a production run through the shop in ANTICIPATION of a Military Contract"? The part that you highlighted is pure speculation on Joe's part and he states that?

I really think you need to go back and read Bear Claws initial question. Then you can read your own response when you took it completely off subject...
 
sassafrassdogs3 said:
As far as misrepresenting you? You stated everyone was issued a jet pilots survival knife? I don't think anyone in the Army, Navy, Marines or anybody other than Air Force was issued that knife...
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Just one last correction.

I didn't say that everyone was issued a jet pilot's survival knife. If you can quote me, do so. You can't.

Now I'm done with you. You apparently have significant trouble reading plain text so there's really no point in talking to you.
 
sassafrassdogs3 said:
Where is it stated they went after a Military Contract? Did you read the part where Joe said: "they would not have started a production run through the shop in ANTICIPATION of a Military Contract"? The part that you highlighted is pure speculation on Joe's part and he states that?
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Seriously? You missed it when Joe said (clearly).....

"Even though they did not pick the 650,"

Now I AM done with you.
 
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