One from Sfreddo

Jeff,

Your Email didn't make it through to me either. I suspect that Roger is somehow to blame, but I can't prove it...yet. ;) There is no question about Rodrigo's MS level skills, but the Berado has a better eye for designs that flow, imho. :thumbup:

P
 
Wow, this is a beauty! I think this is the best integral I've seen judging the guard alone. I'd prefer a dropped handle and some recurve to the blade but the element that would have killed a purchase is the Spanish notch, one of my "dealbreakers". It's a great piece though and I'm sure it'll bring a lot of enjoyment admiring and handling it, congrats!
 
ptgdvc said:
Jeff,

Your Email didn't make it through to me either. I suspect that Roger is somehow to blame, but I can't prove it...yet. ;) There is no question about Rodrigo's MS level skills, but the Berado has a better eye for designs that flow, imho. :thumbup:

P
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Different makers, different styles, different buyers, different eyes ....... is one objectively better than the other. Absolutely not! To say that one prefers maker A's designs to maker B's is a fair and rationale statement.

Stephen
 
Stephen F said:
Different makers, different styles, different buyers, different eyes ....... is one objectively better than the other. Absolutely not!

Stephen
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Foster,

UTTER RUBBISH (imVho).

Lets start a new thread and have at it.

Best,

G
 
ptgdvc said:
Foster,

UTTER RUBBISH (imVho).

Lets start a new thread and have at it.
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ptgdvc said:
There is no question about Rodrigo's MS level skills, but the Berado has a better eye for designs that flow, imho. :thumbup:

P
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Peter,

I think you may have temporarily lost sight if what "imho" stands for.

Though not invited, I will respectfully decline to enter into a Maker X is better than Maker Y debate. I find that type of discourse inevitable resolves into the childish at best, and distasteful at worst.

I will disagree with the notion that concepts of "design" and "flow" can be excized of all subjectivity and resolved into any quantifiable objective measure such that one maker's designs may be universally acclaimed as superior to that of another. One's subjective preferences will inetvitably inform one's opinion in this regard.

And I will disagree further with any suggestion that Sfreddo's designs are lacking in "flow" or any other nebulous trait that one would like to offer by way of such an overbroad and over-generalized criticism. I find his craftsmanship, his designs, and his aesthetics to be of the highest order. I readily allow that others may have a different view - we all don't like the same things. I, for one, don't presume that I am the universal arbiter of elements of good design. And I categorically reject the notion that there is any purely objective measure by which Rodrigo's designs could be dismissed as lacking in way.

Roger

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Roger (you know that I love you).

I realize that in a courtroom you are free to frame strawman arguements out of whole cloth, but thou shall not create artifical constructs, refuse to justify them in further debate, and infer that they apply to my statement and imagine that I will let it pass. If you and Stephen actually believe what you are saying, I am unsure of why you are unwilling, or unable to defend your point of view, but if you change you mind, I am available at your convenience in a fresh thread. :thumbup:

I am unsure why my statement that I prefer the flow of this particular Berardo knife to this particular Sfreddo knife is taken by you to be my all encompassing view of both maker's body of work. It is not. Please explain.

Best,

P
 
People! Try not to be so sensitive! Its only knives!

I am not a huge fan of this particular design, but the construction blows me away. I see huge potential in this style of build and have always seen huge potential in the work of Sfreddo.

Up until this point I have not seen this type of forged integral available at a realistic, reasonable price.

Mr. Sfreddo just raised the bar for under $1K forged knives, IMNSHO..
 
Peter,

I love you too.

Now, moving past the awkward Brokeback moment, let me say that if you are to be fair you might allow that my post contained more than straw and Stephen's contained more than "utter rubbish". It is not we who are being categorically dismissive of your point of view. It is very much the opposite.

ptgdvc said:
I am unsure why my statement that I prefer the flow of this particular Berardo knife to this particular Sfreddo knife is taken by you to be my all encompassing view of both maker's body of work. It is not. Please explain.
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Hey, IF that is what you had said, I would have found nothing objectionable (root amongst the straw of my previous post and you will find that exact point. I'll even go back and bold it for you). Here is what you said:

ptgdvc said:
There is no question about Rodrigo's MS level skills, but the Berado has a better eye for designs that flow, imho. :thumbup:
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Now, I admit that when I first read the post I took it to be a clear statement that "Berardo has a better eye for design designs that flow." I missed the "the" which preceded it. But be that as it may, I still take that to have been your point, because if by "the Berardo" you meant the knife, not the maker, then the rest of the sentence makes no sense. How can a knife have an eye for design? It was both that categorical declaration of superiority in design AND your rather truculent dismissal of Stephen's point about subjectivity that prompted my response.

Roger
 
The ST-## repro, but the rest bothers the eyes, not to my taste at all.

Nice to see Senor Gill directly take on some of the more prosaic members of the Forum with direct challenges to discussion. Only good can come of that Mr. P., don't be afraid of spirited debate amongst friends.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
ptgdvc said:
Roger (you know that I love you).


I am unsure why my statement that I prefer the flow of this particular Berardo knife to this particular Sfreddo knife is taken by you to be my all encompassing view of both maker's body of work. It is not. Please explain.

Best,

P
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I think it is you who has to explan why:

but the Berado has a better eye for designs that flow
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..... is not your all encompassing view of both makers body of work. At the moment the only thing I can see is a misplaced "the", either that or the rest of the statement is misplaced.

Cheers,

Stephen
 
Roger & Stephen F,

I could have made myself clearer and apologize for my defective sentence structure. I am in accord with Roger's last comment. :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Stephen F

Different makers, different styles, different buyers, different eyes ....... is one objectively better than the other. Absolutely not!

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However, my "rather truculent (brutally harsh; vitriolic; scathing :)) dismissal of Stephen's point about subjectivity" stands.

Best,

P
 
Congrats Roger
I have yet to handle one of Rodrigo's pieces but I find his really exciting
 
Actually, the ubber challenge would be an integral d-guard. I believe it can be done.
 
I think Gary House had something that either was or was awfully close to an integral d-guard at Reno in 2006. Was a really nice looking piece - think it was on the spine of knives annual 2006? too. Think Bladegallery has a Ron Best integral right now too.
 
As I understand it forged integrals take their basic shape and pattern in the actual forging process, and can be very difficult to get right, leading to a high level of scrapping. Rodrigos skill in delivering this piece and the Art Nouveaux pieces is awesome.

A forged, integral D guard would be an incredible achievement , and if it hasbeen done I would love to see a photo. I have a project on the cards with another makersthat will entail a forged stainless D guard frame ..... I can't wait to see the process unfold.

Stephen
 
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