One hand folders. Stud or disk?

I like thumb studs. If positioned well, they can be a joy to use.

The only knife I own with a disc isn't very smooth to open, so I can't really say how much I'd like a disc on a higher-quality knife, but from my limited experience with discs, I prefer the thumb stud by far.

To me, a hole is pretty "meh". Yeah, it works, but having to push a steel corner with my thumb or finger nail isn't my favorite thing in the world. Feels like nails on a chalkboard to me. I can use the fleshy tip of my thumb to get the knife open, but it takes a lot more effort than a thumb stud.

My favorite way to open a knife? The index finger bump on the back of the Kershaw Leek (that becomes a choil when opened).
 
Many people try to use the disc like a stud. Not necessary. The disc just needs a forward push. A "lifting" motion actually makes it harder. I was ...lifting....my BM 910 and then ....LOOKED...at it. Oh, just push forward. Wow!

:)
 
I've become so used to a nice flipper that I caught myself thinking of studs, discs, and even holes as detractors to a good knife. After a bit of a head shake, I've come around and decided that, flippers aside, I like holes (spyderholes). I find them to be more comfortable and less obtrusive on the blade. I also have an easier time opening knives with holes using my left (off) hand, which can be important in the case of an emergency.

- Mike
 
I like the holes and good studs about even. I find it less common to get good studs compared to the other types however, if the thumbstud is really good it definately compares to the holes.
 
Lavan said:
I'll take disk as it being mounted on the top of the blade gives the largest radius from the pivot and therefore, easiest open.
Well, depending one where on the blade the disc is mounted, it might not be any more radius than a stud. What you *do* get, though, is maximum clearance between the opener and the handle, which is a great boon to those with large thumbs or limited mobility.

OK, so, MHO...

All three (stud, disc, hole) can be implemented well, or poorly. Done right, all three are effective. Done poorly, well... nail nicks start to look good!

My top choice: I'm actually a big fan of the disc, despite not owning many knives that use 'em; the only one in my EDC rotation is a CRKT Crawford Falcon. (Well, and a CRKT Large Tighe Tac, which is actually square, but the same basic idea.) Don't have a BM Stryker, it's one of the few major Benchmades that leaves me cold. Wonder why they aren't more commonly used?

Advantages:
  • Ambidextrous by design. I'm not a lefty, but on many knives I find it easier to flick them open with the index finger, rather than the thumb. Yeah, I'm weird like that.
  • Excellent clearance from handles. See above. Beside easing blade deployment, it's also less likely to get in the way when sharpening, unlike some stud designs.
  • Low profile, compared to a stud. (True disc only, the Tighe Tac doesn't count.) A rounded disc is highly unlikely to snag on your pocket or sheath, even if properly knurled for traction.
  • User comfort. Even knurled, a disc offers a relatively large, round surface to the thumb (or finger), or if you prefer, a simple flat surface on the underside. A badly-designed one could have sharp edges, of course, but I've never seen one like that.

Disadvantages:
  • Mechanically weak by design. Every implementation I've seen is attached to the blade by a screw through the disc, into a threaded hole in the edge of the blade spine. Since that little screw is the only thing holding the disc in place, it can't be nearly as strong as a stud that fits into a hole through the blade; the screw would tear out under a tiny fraction of the force required to either shear a stud, or the blade spine! (Of course, this is theoretical; I've never heard of a stud or disc actually failing in the Real World.)
  • Only practical for thick blades. The thinner the blade stock, the smaller the screw. When you get down to 1/10" stock, you're talkin' watchmaker screws. (I'd like to see one dovetailed into the spine, with the screw only for lateral security. Seems like it could be much stronger.)

Then there's the thumb hole. Mechanically about a simple as you can get. I like simplicity. :D There are several variations to consider: round (Spyderco, Blackwood) vs. oval (some Benchmade) vs. oblong (Strider, Swamp Rat) vs. odd shaped (Byrd), with square or bevelled or rounded edges.

Advantages:
  • Ease of manufacture. No additional parts, no screws, no knurling or checkering, you just drill / blank / cut a hole in the blade blank.
  • Ambidextrous by design. See above.
  • Works with any blade thickness.
  • Lowest profile. Nothing to snag on pockets, sheaths, clothing, gear, etc., when drawing, sheathing, sharpening, or in use.
  • Mechanically strong. The only way for it to fail is for the spine of the blade to tear out. Not bloody likely.
  • User comfort. Even the sharp-edged holes used by Spyderco are surprisingly easy on the thumb or finger, although those people who use their nails instead of the fleshy part of their digit may disagree. Other manufacturers bevel or round the edges for additional comfort, at the expense of some security. The relatively large contact area allows you to apply significant force without discomfort.

Disadvantages:
  • Weakens the blade in lateral stress. Face it, when you cut a large chunk out of the blade, it's not as strong anymore. Of course, if you don't make a habit of applying large lateral stresses to the blade (i.e., prying), this may not be an issue. This can be somewhat ameliorated by the designer's choice of blade profile; hence the "hump" in most Spyderco blade profiles.
  • Proprietary. Well, the best ones are, at least: Spyderco has a trademark on that sharp-edged round hole, which is widely regarded as the ideal implementation of the concept. The round shape allows the thumb or finger to rotate within it freely, and the sharp edges make for very positive traction. Sure, you can get around Sal Glesser's TM by using another shape, or bevelling the edge; but then you also sacrifice some of the advantages of the design.

And then, there's the thumb stud. Implemented correctly, it's as good as the best holes or discs; poorly implemented, it's a frustrating pain. There are endless variations: smooth, stepped or knurled; cylindrical, conical or angled; long or short; wide or narrow.

In my experience, the best ones are ambidextrous; not so high as to snag, either open or closed; positioned far enough from the handles to allow easy access; textured enough to keep the thumb from slipping off, but not so much as to tear up the skin; and either rounded, wider than normal or cut with an angle, to provide a wider contact area, for comfort.

The worst are either too small or short to allow much contact, or so long as to snag, or interfere with slicing or sharpening; pointed or coarsely textured sufficiently to cause pain to the opening digit; and/or mounted to one side of the blade only, limiting user choice in opening options.

Advantages:
  • Fairly simple to manufacture. While some knifemakers craft their own studs, there are several "standard" ones available in bulk; the knifemaker needs only to drill an appropriate hole, and screw the stud into place.
  • Mechanically strong. The stud is held in place by the surrounding blade stock; highly unlikely to fail in any use I can think of!

Disadvantages:
  • Can get in the way. Especially if too long, or placed to far forward on the blade, they can snag in the work being cut, or interfere with a sharpener. Even with the blade closed, a too-long thumb stud can catch on pockets, sheaths or other gear.
  • Can be uncomfortable and/or insecure. See above; the really bad designs can be downright painful to use. Even the vaunted Sebenza has a thumb stud that's pointed enough to be painful, while also too rounded to prevent slipping, according to some users.
  • All too often RH-only. And since the one-sided ones generally use a countersunk screw on the "off" side, they're not reversible for lefties (or us forefinger-openers). I mean, c'mon guys, a proper ambi stud would cost an extra, what, $0.20 per?? Sheesh.
 
Im a thumbsud man myself. Nothing can beat a good thumb stud and i havent really expirienced and tearing of my thumb trying to open any of my knives with thumbstud which is about 20 knifes from various makers...maybe i have some sort of callus on the tip of my thumb :confused: . Second would be the hole and them the disc. I feel the disc for some reason makes the knife look a little cheap...dont know why...it just does to me. I am also a big fan of the flipper but their dont seem to be many made with it, which is a shame...
 
Spyder guy here :D I really prefer a hole...they don't hang up on what your cutting,but my Al Mar SLB rides with me all the time,I'm gonna put dual studs on it otherwise studs and disks are fine :D
 
4416 said:
Why not a combination of both (hole and disc)? How about the "Cobra Hood" of some of the Spyderco models. Easy to access and quick to open.
The best! :thumbup:
 
For me the Cobra Hood works brilliantly, but it seems to undermine the beautiful simplicity of the hole (and Mr Glesser's design philosophy of stripping away the superfluous).

Hole is best.
Disk is 2nd.
Studs 3rd.
 
Studs.

When its minus 30 celcius or colder, i can open the knife easily with cold weather gloves on, i cant do this with a hole, as the finger tip of the glove does not penetrate far enough to open easily,begins to be a chore.

WR
 
The hole over either although an Axis is right up there with the hole for opening. Then the stud. No discs whatsoever. Hate 'em.
 
I prefer studs. They will perform as well as discs but look a lot less dorky.

What currently manufactured knives have discs? They are pretty rare compared to holes and studs.
 
a disc looks like an afterthought...i've also seen them come loose...axis lock- I dont really like buttons sticking out but I dont have that much experience with them either..I would probably would learn to like them though...when it comes down to the nitty gritty....holes best
 
I love the hole but i have one issue. it"catches" debris in it.
not unlike if you use a knife wiht a nail nick to cut something soft; food partcles and all get stuck in the nick.
with the hole, there is this entire circle that scrapes off some particles from the article being cut itself.
i dont have one yet, but i would say for practicality's sake, a stud that embeds into the handle upon deployment. like what benchmade has.
marcus wong
 
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