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I just placed an order for the 5" Vampliers. Got a lot of good reviews so I'll find out if those reviews are credible. Pliers supposed to be here by the weekend. I'll let you folks know the outcome.

Sorry I'm a bit tardy with the tricks I promised.
Looks like you have gotten some excellent advise.
Yes I have the VamPliers as well. Mostly I use them when the head of a screw has broken off and there is just a stub stuck in one of the parts.
Super high quality product. I am very impressed by them.

One thing I was going to suggest was that you take the tip of the torx bit and hold it to a spinning grinding wheel to square it off and sharpen it up. There is a bit of dome on the end from the factory which makes it easier to get it to go into a torx screw but this also makes it want to kick out of the screw after the socket starts to round out. So what mean is just touch the end of the torx bit straight on into the wheel so then end is flat.

Then as was mentioned really force that sharp square end down into what little there is to grip in the bottom of the socket. The way I like to do it is put the bit in a drill press and with the power off use the handle of the drill press to hold the bit in the part. You can work out how to go from there : rotate the knife to turn the screw . . . my drill press has a quill lock so I can then let go of the handle and hold a drill press key in the chuck so it doesn't turn while I am rotating the part.

If you don't have a drill press you can put the bit and the handle of the knife between the jaws of a bench vise and just snug the vise against them just enough to keep the bit firmly in the torx screw. A quarter inch wrench will fit the torx and you can turn the torx that way. Cardboard card stock (not corrugated) works well for vise jaw pads to keep from marring up the knife handle.

Failing that (no vise) you can use a socket speeder wrench to get your weight down ward on the torx and still have some leverage to turn the screw. I do this with torx almost everyday at work to make sure the bit gets the best bite possible on small torx.
This is a LINK <<<<< to a quarter inch socket speeder which fits tiny torx bits. Lots of places sell them. You could probably find one used at a used tool place or Goodwill etc. $25 is ALOT for this $18 is more reasonable new. Sears has 'em.

Cutting a slot in the screw works well too. I use a Dremel all the time to do this. Go easy and light and use both hands right down on the end of the grinder with the knife clamped down.

PS: if I were to do the rubber band thing I think I would use some thin copper foil rather than the rubber band. Yeah . . . not so easy to find.
 
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Just happy as a Lark regarding the 5" VamPliers . Got the pliers today in the mail and took the stripped out Torx bit screws out in under 60 seconds. I received 3 Torx screws with a small tube of Loctite from Spyderco yesterday so I am all set.
 
Aren't they great? I ended up enjoying mine more than I thought I would.
 
Aren't they great? I ended up enjoying mine more than I thought I would.

When I got the pliers out of the blister pack I didn't think the jaws were small enough to grab hold of the button head. To my surprise, the pliers had enough bite to do the trick. Boy oh boy was I one happy camper.
 
Hey Rhodies,
What color is the LocTite (I know it's not red) ?
Is it LocTite brand ?
Any pic of the bottle possible ?
 
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The liquid is blue in color. This is the little bottle of the #243 that Spyderco included with the 3 Torx Screws they sent me. I am sure you were looking for something more substantial to look at so my apologies. Great company and customer service I might add. Yes, it is the brand loctite.
 
Vampliers work well for those button-head screws. They're pliers made for grabbing a screw by the head to turn it.
I have some lineman pliers I modified years ago just for removing buggered screws. Those VamPliers look like they would work better. I'm gonna get some. Thanks!
 
Yeah, I'd tried using regular pliers many a time for that sort of work and they just wanted to slip all over the place. Having ones made for the task is helpful to so large a degree that it's surprising, above and beyond the logical expectation that they should be handy for the purpose.
 
Yeah, I'd tried using regular pliers many a time for that sort of work and they just wanted to slip all over the place. Having ones made for the task is helpful to so large a degree that it's surprising, above and beyond the logical expectation that they should be handy for the purpose.

To my surprise, they worked and worked well. Many thanks for your referral. With your own personal experience with the Vampliers, and the many, many positive reviews on the internet I could not resist.
 
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The liquid is blue in color. This is the little bottle of the #243 that Spyderco included with the 3 Torx Screws they sent me. I am sure you were looking for something more substantial to look at so my apologies. Great company and customer service I might add. Yes, it is the brand loctite.
243 is the oil resistant medium strength (blue) :)

~Chip
 
I think blue medium Loctite, especially 243, which is stronger than 242, is overkill for knife fasteners. Low strength purple should be good enough.

Maybe so but if the OEM sends me a product to use on their product, I'm going to use it.
 
if you find a nut thats small ... just use JB Weld and clamp the nut to the screwhead for a brief time and use a socket to remove the screw ... its a quick easy fix without the risk of drilling or using a cutoff and taking a chance of damaging the scales.
 
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Rhodies,
Thank you so much for the photo and info.
That's interesting.

Jpm2,
Agreed blue is over kill. I figure they are counting on the end user not cleaning the threads with thread prep solvent. The blue swelling up with the hypothetical trace of oil on the threads would work about right.
 
if you find a nut thats small ... just use JB Weld and clamp the nut to the screwhead for a brief time and use a socket to remove the screw ... its a quick easy fix without the risk of drilling or usilung a cutoff and taking a chance of damaging the scales.
GOOD ONE !
Fascinating (seriously, I didn't see the pun until after typing that).
I'm going to try that one day.
 
it seriously works great if you can find a small nut that fits to screwhead closely ... and a socket breaks it loose real easily ... it has saved me a few times with stripped screwheads ... have even used Gorilla Glue instead of JB Weld in a pinch.
 
FortyTwoBlades FortyTwoBlades ,

Thanks. I got the vamplier and it beats the excessive white thread locker on the byrd cara cara clip. Didn’t even need to heat it up.

Wowbagger Wowbagger ,

Thanks for the many tips.

Just to share that trying to force it could result in the driver twisted like pretzel. It didn’t strip (nor the screw) but the shaft simply got twisted when the handle turned but the tip of the bit stuck and didn’t turn.

My thinking is that the thick jaw of the vamplier and applying force on the circumference of the screw head vs the torx driver from smaller circumference resulted in less force required, plus the advantage of the handle being in even larger dimensions. All in all, brilliant solution.

Now, what to do with screws that heads are recessed like on body of FRN Seki knives or totally flushed like PM2 body screws?
 
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This problem first cropped up in the gun world when most manufacturers went to Allen or Torx screws for the grip panels and EVERYBODY wanted them. Allen heads are the worst because the hole for the bit usually extends down into the shank of the screw which leaves almost no metal around the hole so it takes very little torque to round out the driving hole. Many times the head will simply shear off leaving the shank of the screw in the hole. The other big problem is almost all of the manufacturers do not make their own screws - they buy them in bulk from Asia as cheap as they can and they are made from the worst steel in the world. The original slotted grip screws are MUCH stronger and far more resistant to stripping.(unless you try to use your old rusty chewed up Craftsman all purpose screwdriver on them). I threw all of my Allen head grip screws away. FWIW I detest Torx screws. Torx screws are for robots.......
 
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