Opinions : Most under-rated production knife brand?

I went and looked at Blade HQ. Lowest priced frame lock from Kizer was $95. It's an old model with a single position pocket clip and it lacks the hardened steel lock bar face. The Gemini all Ti frame lock with ball bearing pivot and hardened steel lock bar face is $200. A ZT 0801 is made in the USA, has the same features and is $190. I need more than blue anodized hardware if you're going to charge me $10 more for a Chinese made knife than a comparable US made knife.


I just bought a kizer 4403 ti framelock s35vn steel and g10 scale for 79$. please find me this specs in another brand for equa'l price.

toi be fair china has been making blades for farrrrrr longer than America has even existed. I have no problems with where a knife comes from if its made right!
 
Kizer 4421a1;
3.75" slab of s35v
wrapped in a ti handle
going for $85.



All be it sale price, but still, often it pays to shop around.
 
Kizer 4421a1;
3.75" slab of s35v
wrapped in a ti handle
going for $85.



All be it sale price, but still, often it pays to shop around.
I'll even include the link ;) http://www.knifecenter.com/item/KUKI4421A1/kizer-cutlery-ki4421a1-flipper-folding-knife-s35vn-satin-blade-blue-titanium-handles

Yeah, that's under-rated. No way around it. Sale prices certainly are relevant to under/over-rated. Sale prices can't exist in the MAP environment currently enforced by Benchmade, Spyderco, ZT, et.al.
 
Looking at most of the Kizer comments on our BF, hard to find any criticisms of the knives themselves. Country of origin stirs the bees nest while the knives themselves earn high praise.

My 4 Kizers, for my tastes, purposes and money, stand way above the MAP-priced brands I own.
 
Looking at most of the Kizer comments on our BF, hard to find any criticisms of the knives themselves. Country of origin stirs the bees nest while the knives themselves earn high praise.

My 4 Kizers, for my tastes, purposes and money, stand way above the MAP-priced brands I own.

we'll said. I've never seen quality complaints either. ill get more zt when prices can compete with knives of equal quality
 
Buck is known for good knives but they are usually outdoor knives but they made a tactical knife called the 830 marksman. It is a flipper riding on a bearing system the lock is really strong and kind of odd but you get used to it. It is made of 154cm with a Paul Bos heat treat and an aluminum handle with a deep carry reversible pocket clip. Just try it out I think you'll love it and if you don't it is only $90 and you could sell it or trade it.
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I loved this knife until I dropped it and it broke. Never had a knife do that before and it really put me off of it.
 
That's what I was thinking
Wow, 21 posts and no mention at all of Condor Knife and Tool!

Condor's lineup is fantastic, and absolutely, in my mind, right up there with Mora, Opinel, Sword, etc... (basically, the rest of Baryonyx stuff) for being the best bang for the buck.
I have enjoyed my Bushlore and Moonshiner so much that I got a Woodlaw blade blank to mod. I'll be working not he project next week, so expect some pics.
 
Great post OP. All this needs is a poll... Or some price parameters to narrow down each field. There are some great suggestions, from bargain to mid tech
 
Great post OP. All this needs is a poll... Or some price parameters to narrow down each field. There are some great suggestions, from bargain to mid tech

If we included midtech this thread would be huge haha. that's why I wanted to do production companies only :). under rated mid techs and customs would be an awesome follow up topic though!
 
I just bought a kizer 4403 ti framelock s35vn steel and g10 scale for 79$. please find me this specs in another brand for equa'l price.
I can order a Spyderco Manix 2 G10 / S30V with CBB lock (which is stronger than a frame lock) on Amazon for $80.91 shipped and they won't bill me until they're back in stock. I did just order a Buck Marksman from there for $77 shipped. I'd put the Marksman up against the Kizer VG-10 blade, G10 scale, stainless steel liner lock Vanguard series that was mentioned previously in this thread.

toi be fair china has been making blades for farrrrrr longer than America has even existed. I have no problems with where a knife comes from if its made right!
I'm well aware of China's long history of making blades. My cousin was a fellow at the Smithsonian and got to examine one of the Terracotta soldier swords as part of his research. I was extremely envious. But we aren't talking about hand forged swords. We're talking about modern folders that are largely CNC machined. I'm still not giving my money to hostile Chinese communists when knives like the Manix 2 and Marksman are made here in the US from comparable materials and sell at similar prices.
 
I had a boker plus haddock and it was incredibly disappointing. Blade grinds were off, the pivot grinded, and the ti framelock stuck so bad I needed a screw driver to disengage the lock. No bokers for me ever again.
I guess Bokers must be hit or miss. I have three bokers, and they are all flawless.

The Kwaiken, I have issues with the design, but the execution by Boker is good.

I,ve heard the horror stories about Boker, but my experience with them has been very positive.



The War Toad, A cool little friction folder in the plus line designed by Tuff Thumbs, is pretty much flawless, and just makes me wanna carry it.





The Minos, designed by Jens Anso, Is made in Solingen Germany, and is absolutely flawless. I actually put it in the same class as any ZT or other High end production folder Ive ever owned. Actually a little higher believe it or not, its just that good.

It's also one of the smoothest folders on washers I've ever experienced. Right up there with my CRK's, and no problems with lock up. Early, solid, and no stick at all. Materials, fit, finish, and build quality are top notch.

 
I can order a Spyderco Manix 2 G10 / S30V with CBB lock (which is stronger than a frame lock) on Amazon for $80.91 shipped and they won't bill me until they're back in stock. I did just order a Buck Marksman from there for $77 shipped. I'd put the Marksman up against the Kizer VG-10 blade, G10 scale, stainless steel liner lock Vanguard series that was mentioned previously in this thread.

I'm well aware of China's long history of making blades. My cousin was a fellow at the Smithsonian and got to examine one of the Terracotta soldier swords as part of his research. I was extremely envious. But we aren't talking about hand forged swords. We're talking about modern folders that are largely CNC machined. I'm still not giving my money to hostile Chinese communists when knives like the Manix 2 and Marksman are made here in the US from comparable materials and sell at similar prices.


s35vn is much more expensive as is a ti framelock. so I'm not sure what your point is.

also, s35v is an American steel. so how did kizer get it? they ordered it from usa! then how did it get there? americans produced it, packaged it and shipped it! what happens once the knife is done!? they ship it to american suppliers, to resell. Hundreds, if not thousands of americans are making a living off of these particular brands of chinese knives. So some of your points are moot :p

Thanks for your input however!

Edit: Also, spyderco and buck both outsource to china, so even if you buy their america made knives, you're still supporting those companies which is supporting their chinese factories, which in turn, supports "hostile totalitarian " china.
 
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I guess Bokers must be hit or miss. I have three bokers, and they are all flawless.

The Kwaiken, I have issues with the design, but the execution by Boker is good.

I,ve heard the horror stories about Boker, but my experience with them has been very positive.



The War Toad, A cool little friction folder in the plus line designed by Tuff Thumbs, is pretty much flawless, and just makes me wanna carry it.





The Minos, designed by Jens Anso, Is made in Solingen Germany, and is absolutely flawless. I actually put it in the same class as any ZT or other High end production folder Ive ever owned. Actually a little higher believe it or not, its just that good.

It's also one of the smoothest folders on washers I've ever experienced. Right up there with my CRK's, and no problems with lock up. Early, solid, and no stick at all. Materials, fit, finish, and build quality are top notch.



Thanks for the awesome pics and the response. maybe ill give boker one more shot ;)
 
s35vn is much more expensive as is a ti framelock. so I'm not sure what your point is.
S35vn vs s30V is a 2 cent price difference on the same size strip from NJ Steel Baron, and S35vn is less expensive to machine. Yes, 154cm is much less expensive than either (approx. $19 on the same .094"x2"x36" sample strip size, or about $30 going to .188" thickness), but I also specifically stated that I thought the Marksman was a more direct competitor with the Vanguard VG-10 blade liner locks from Kizer.

also, s35v is an American steel. so how did kizer get it? they ordered it from usa! then how did it get there? americans produced it, packaged it and shipped it! what happens once the knife is done!? they ship it to american suppliers, to resell. Hundreds, if not thousands of americans are making a living off of these particular brands of chinese knives. So some of your points are moot
I'm not completely ignorant of those facts despite your assumptions. However, you've demonstrated your ignorance of written English with your lack of proper capitalization and punctuation. Further, those same steel workers, material handlers, and transportation professionals would still be employed if the knives were made in the US. Only the longshoremen involved in loading and unloading the containers from the freighters would be cut out. Hence, several of your points are equally moot.

Thanks for your input however!
Likewise.

Edit: Also, spyderco and buck both outsource to china, so even if you buy their america made knives, you're still supporting those companies which is supporting their chinese factories, which in turn, supports "hostile totalitarian " china.
I did not write "hostile totalitarian". I wrote "hostile Chinese communists." Please refrain from using quotation marks when you aren't directly quoting. Also, once again, you're incorrect. If I purchase Chinese made Spydercos or Bucks I'm supporting their Chinese factories. In contrast, when I buy their US made products I'm supporting their American factories and workers. If enough consumers buy those companies' US made knives and refrain from buying their Chinese made knives that will cause them to supply more US made knives and less Chinese made knives to meet the market's shift in demand. The intermediary effect of a temporary increase in price on the US made knives until production can be shifted would be an example of demand pull inflation. Demand pull inflation is the type that's healthy for economic growth, while cost push inflation, in contrast, is unhealthy for an economy.

Now, do you want to keep attempting to lecture me on economics, or will you will respectfully accept that I'm economically patriotic? Also, you mentioned in another thread that you work for a hat manufacturer here in the US. Please send me a PM and tell me who you work for, or for whom your employer manufactures hats. If one of your products fits my wardrobe I'll make a purchase to help your work in the ever shrinking US clothing and textile manufacturing industry.
 
S35vn vs s30V is a 2 cent price difference on the same size strip from NJ Steel Baron, and S35vn is less expensive to machine. Yes, 154cm is much less expensive than either (approx. $19 on the same .094"x2"x36" sample strip size, or about $30 going to .188" thickness), but I also specifically stated that I thought the Marksman was a more direct competitor with the Vanguard VG-10 blade liner locks from Kizer.


I'm not completely ignorant of those facts despite your assumptions. However, you've demonstrated your ignorance of written English with your lack of proper capitalization and punctuation. Further, those same steel workers, material handlers, and transportation professionals would still be employed if the knives were made in the US. Only the longshoremen involved in loading and unloading the containers from the freighters would be cut out. Hence, several of your points are equally moot.


Likewise.


I did not write "hostile totalitarian". I wrote "hostile Chinese communists." Please refrain from using quotation marks when you aren't directly quoting. Also, once again, you're incorrect. If I purchase Chinese made Spydercos or Bucks I'm supporting their Chinese factories. In contrast, when I buy their US made products I'm supporting their American factories and workers. If enough consumers buy those companies' US made knives and refrain from buying their Chinese made knives that will cause them to supply more US made knives and less Chinese made knives to meet the market's shift in demand. The intermediary effect of a temporary increase in price on the US made knives until production can be shifted would be an example of demand pull inflation. Demand pull inflation is the type that's healthy for economic growth, while cost push inflation, in contrast, is unhealthy for an economy.

Now, do you want to keep attempting to lecture me on economics, or will you will respectfully accept that I'm economically patriotic? Also, you mentioned in another thread that you work for a hat manufacturer here in the US. Please send me a PM and tell me who you work for, or for whom your employer manufactures hats. If one of your products fits my wardrobe I'll make a purchase to help your work in the ever shrinking US clothing and textile manufacturing industry.

its unfortunate you feel the need to comment on punctuation and capitalization, as you're obviously unaware how difficult it is to type on a 3"x2" keyboard with my giant thumbs that has no autocorrect ;)

We can move discussion to PM if you like as I don't want to derail the topic of the thread too much!

Again thanks for your input!
 
after skimming back through posts here, I realized a great manufacturer got left out. What do you think of fox knives? I feel they're an under rated gem in the knife world
 
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