Origin of the Kaudi,

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After reading the defining kukri thread I thought I would add this.


Myself & a friend interveiwed at length over many days in Nepal, several knowledgable people to try to get to the bottom of this this questian.

They included a well educated master kami called Nawaraj from Dharan who was fortuanate enough to have been educated alongside the Gurkhas children on a British Army base where his father was a kami, & a well known kukri dealer from Kathmando , Ram Kumar, That Simon & myself spent much time with while we were in Nepal.

Various other people confirmed what was said by them for us. Ravi the descendent of a long line of Gurkhas & Gorkhas back to at least the Indian mutiney confirmed the religious & spiritual connotations.

Various Bhramins from the family of an Air hostess I met in Nepal, have been kind enough to add thier input to the interpritation factors of the designs involved & explained that in thier eyes, all Hindu weapons have religious symbols to conteract the malevolent spirits that can be attracted to weapons that have been involved in violence & bloodshed, Such symbols as Buddhas eye on Ram Dao & the Lotus on kora are other examples.


That said on a practical level The cho {which is usualy called the kaudi in Nepal} they say practicaly speaking it is a device to drip blood to reduce the amount of it that gets on to the handle. It also clearly provides an area that allows the ending of the blade bevel without a raised ricaso.{Handy both for maker & keeping later sharpenings tidy.}
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Interestingly they & most of the other Nepali sources we spoke to say most of the original designs are religious symbols usualy based on the shape of various temple roofs.

Shivas Lingham, from the god of victory, is the commonest although they say it is also doubles as the cows hoof. also a sacred symbol. {Which in Nepali eyes is doubly good if it can be both things.} as both Nawaraj & Ram explained to us that when a particular kaudi looked like a particular symbol to one person that they percieved as something else that was doubly auspicios as it could have both meanings, so although the kaudi was made with a particular meaning or shape by the kami, interpritation & meaning is in the eye of the beholder as well.

Buddhas temple, peacocks {Of which on is both the symbol of Nepal & also connected to both Buddha & some Hindu gods of war, longevity etc.. } & apparently even christs cross can be also represented.


I am sure some kaudi have different meanings from this but my research, leads me to belive they are all protective religious symbols, the sun god, crescent moon symbols & the sexual organs of the gods as examples. Whether particular symbols were prefered by individual, kami, or particular workshops or {so called armourys} we could find no definate proof but to me it does seem quite possible.



Intrestingly The small stars or circles often found on the majority of commercal post 1960 kukri at the end of the small spines fullers or grooves also represent Lord Buddhas eyes one of the familar all seeing god symbols one sees all over Nepal. {& indeed on Ram Dao.}

Hope thats of some help or intrest.

Spiral


Heres examples of Peacock, Shivas lingham {cows hoof.} & Buddhas roof, kaudi.


kaudi.jpg



The bottom one also looks like its probably a temple roof, perhaps one near Calcutta, or Queeta ? as the Mk.1 carrys, FW fort william marks & those of Queeta armoury as well. amongst many others.{last 3,company battalion,dates etc.}
 
Shiva's lingam? Oh man, now I won't be able to look at khuks the same way!
:eek:

Thanks for the clarification and pics though!
 
Thankyou.

I think Cho means Goddess? Beoram could discuss this with greater knowledge than i.
i would say that as Kalis cliterous is also a feature of some old kukri , so perhaps it stems from there? Only takes one Gurkha to say "thats the Goddess" & it gets quoted for ever forever..

Some temple roofs featured would also belong to female goddess. In Nepal there are hundreds of Gods.


if you ask a Nepali wahat something means they are very literal & tell you what it means to them.

So its important to also ask if that is thier description or if other people use it as welll.

Sadley most people who have tried to deduce these things & translate them into western meanings havent taken it that step further.

Or all is heard is immediatly taken as the 100% answear & that realy isnt how Nepalis work. There logic is often very immediate & personal.{Rather like some rastafarians.}

If you ask a Nepali who someone is they may say "I am I" & if you ask who is there wife they may say "she is she" Which then means some westerners call him "i & I" & her "she is she" due to thier own western lack of understanding.

Hope that makes sense to you?

Spiral
 
Yeah, actually it does. Just another cool way of saying what a big, interesting world we live in. Another good example of how one needs to be able to 'think' in another language rather than just 'speak' it.

Thanks again, Spiral. I've learned a lot from you.
 
I haven't seen Beoram around here lately, so I'll take the liberty of copying and pasting his words from IKRHS:
chheu (i.e. 'cho') - I haven't seen this term used here much, though this was the usual term from the HI forum. For a while I thought it was borrowed from a Tibeto-Burman language (like Nevari) into Nepali, but I realised it is simply chheu which has a variety of meanings, but whose original root meaning is 'cut', so thus a notch

note: e+u in Nepali will sound to Angreji ears rather like 'o'
 
Thanks Berk, i think Beo still posts here very recently? {last month.} but I might be mistaken.

Sounds like we need more of his input, anyway !

The kaudi is certanly a notch by its very design, but some female sexed mountains in Nepal are termed Cho so I think it can also means goddess?

Further clarification is clearly needed.

Spiral
 
No that wasnt the questian. :D

Yours is a different questian!

One could say why doesnt the kukri have the lotus carved on it? That would be another questian. Or the Buddha eye like the Ram Dao, Answear might be because its got a kaudi! :D

Perhaps if you read Eggerton you may find a further answear to the other Hindu arms.;)

I dont know that much about kora, ram dao etc. I havent researched them.

Spiral
 
Thanks Spiral. You might be right with your answer. I don't have Egerton.

Some info quoted from The Khukuri FAQ:

Kauri / Kaura - also called a cho. a small notch in blade near handle.

and

Cho - also called a kauri or kaura. a small notch in blade near handle.
"It has various meanings according to various people. A few are: the clitoris of Kali, the penis of Shiva, Surya ra Chandra (sun and moon, symbols of Nepal), a "Kowdi" ('cow-track' because the cow is sacred to the Hindus), a blood drip, a substitute guard, and on and on and on. Take your pick. The true meaning has been lost in time so today it is anybody's guess". -Bill Martino

Here is something quoted from HI website:

The notch near the hilt, called a cho or a kauro (Turner [2740]), has various meanings: the sun and moon (symbols of Nepal), the sexual organs of Hindu gods and goddesses, a cow track (the cow being sacred to the Hindus). Rawson writes of the cho : '[t]he root of the edge of a Kukri blade contains a semicircular nick about three-quarters of an inch deep, generally with a tooth at the bottom, which like the lotus [often stamped] on the blade of the Kora, the Gurkhas say represents the female generative organ, intended presumably to render the blade "effective"' (pg. 54) [in this connexion it is also interesting to note that Shivaji, the 17th-c. Marathi 'rebel' against the Mughals, named his sword 'Bhavani', one of the names of the goddess (see Rawson, pg.89 n.80)].

Quoted from Wikipidia:

Kukris usually have a notch or a pair of adjacent notches at the base of the blade, the "kaura" or "cho", situated near the handle. Various reasons are given for this, both practical and ceremonial: that it can be used to catch the strike of a sword; that it makes blood and sap drop off the blade rather than running onto the handle; that it delineates the end of the blade whilst sharpening; that it is a symbol of potency; that it represents the Hindu goddess Kali.

Some khukuris are having an enclosed type of cho called as "pariwa ki aka".

Quoted from The Khukuri FAQ:

pariwa ki aka - single eye of the dove A type of enclosed Cho with a single protuberance.
 
Yes Ive read all that before Mohd.

There some intresting truths amongst it. Bill did a good recounting of what he was told in response to his questians.

The Wikpedia article is very sad. You should be able to spot this by the fact the the auther of the article featured a Chinese copy of a Nepali/Tibet tourist kukri! :D & his featured secnond kukri is a Dehradun lions head tourist kukri to illustrate his informative work! :jerkit:


As for JPs from the HI website, , He stated that I had unmasked another of the kukri mysteries when he read the results of my research on the kaudi in Nepal & thanked me for sharing it with him & others. So quoteing his past work that I read 6 years ago, before I realised I needed to do my own research, doesnt realy take me any further forward.

If you re read what I wrote you may be able to see the role of the points mentioned by Bill & JP in the overveiw I wrote.

If you cant, theres nothing more I can do. But its not important anyway.

As the Nepalis say, "There only kukris" ;)

Spiral
 
Thanks again Spiral. I'm no expert. And I would like to emphasize here that my postings are made in the intention of sharing my 2 cents with all. In fact my question on why only khukuris has cho was also directed to all for the sake of pure discussion. Your sincere answers are always appreciated.

Nepal Ho! :cool:
 
"Kaudi", the knotch just above the handle in a kukri works like a blood dripper. Its also a promise by Gurkhas soldiers not to kill women, children and cow which is holy animal in Nepal. That is why it looks like a cow's foot.
 
"Kaudi", the knotch just above the handle in a kukri works like a blood dripper. Its also a promise by Gurkhas soldiers not to kill women, children and cow which is holy animal in Nepal. That is why it looks like a cow's foot.

Standard kukri advertisment talk....from KHouse.
 
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