OT: anyone else get acupuncture?

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I've been getting acupuncture for several years. Its' a stay-healthy thing. While I don't go to the doctor if I can avoid it, I do go to the acupuncturist every month. I have found that I have felt really good and have been well for the past several years. It could be a coincidence. I don't know. But I keep at it, it feels right.

How about you?
 
I get my actupuncture done pretty regularly, but the needles are grouped together, and have mysterious names like "Seven Mag," and have been dipped in ink before being applied to the skin. The results are quite lasting, and have left many marks upon me. I like the little endorphin rush you get after about 15 minutes.








The acupuncture of which I speak? its called Tattooing. :p
 
I go pretty regularly, at least once a month. I've dated two acupuncturists ... great perks to have in a significant other.

I hope that over time, more and more people see (and FEEL) the very real benefits of it. I believe it is a much more complete system of health care than anything Western medicine has come up with. (Not to say there isn't a lot to Western medicine, and it absolutely does have its place in the world - especially with surgeries and traumatic accidents).

For those unfamiliar ~~ Acupuncture works to get your body functioning in a balanced natural way. For instance, say you have stomach problems... Acupuncture will look at it, and try and even out your circulation and get your organs in balance with one another.

It may be that your kidneys, or liver, or whatever, is deficient and thereby effecting the other organs it interacts with. Acup. will try and correct that deficiency, whereas Western medicine may just give you a pill for your stomach ache - not really addressing anything, and potentially having other side effects.



It is also supposed to be quite helpful with certain cancers, harnessing the body's ability to fight back at them.

Cognitive ~ I do enjoy your threads. :D


~ B
 
I've never had accupuncture done to me.

Red Flower has accupuncture training she received in Beijing. Unfortunately, she is only licenced to practice western medicine in the US, not acupuncture.

Red Flower has knowledge of other traditional Chinese medicines and treatments too. She recently sent me some pictures of a Gua Sha treatment that is used in her family. It produces dramatic bruising of the back. I have some pictures but she is a little sensitive about having them posted. Apparently in the US kids have even been taken from their parents by CPS because teachers have seen the bruising from these Gua Sha treatments.

Here's some informtaion on Gua Sha, but no pictures of the bruising. http://www.damo-qigong.net/guasha/guasha.htm
 
I had the gui sha treatment. When I had it, the "bruising" was more irritation that faded in a few days. It looked like h*ll but didn't hurt much. It didn't do me much good (or bad) either...
 
I haven't had accupuncture since the time the accupuncturist treated me, went downstairs to greet her boyfriend (she had a room set up to practice in an apartment).. and then she promptly forgot that I was there and left me for a long long time.. I had too many needles in too many places to move.
:eek: :eek: :eek: :)

ouch.
 
I received accupunture from someone who used it in conjuction with Chairopractic for a back injury I sustained from falling off a ladder on a construction job.

The way accupucture worked, according to this man, was that it "tricked" the body into intensifying the healing process and focusing it on specific areas. What he did with me was because I had spinal discs pinching nerves he seperated them and then used the accupuncture to heal the spine back in the alignment that it had been in before the damage had been sustained.

I don't know if I'm esplaining it very well, but whatever he did it worked. I experienced a lot of heat where he applied the needles, and after a treatment I was usually sleepy and I'd always take the afternoon off the day of my treatment and take a nap afterwards.

I also found that it took at least a year before My back felt strong again, but I havn't had a single back problem since. I bicycle daily for exersize and I'm in good shape at 57. I received the accupunture treatment about 12 years ago.
 
I am quite tired after treatment. I didn't get relief for headaches but I have gotten relief from allergies (some) and generally improved wellbeing.
 
In Nepal I attended a lecture by a lama on Tibetan medicine. He explained an interesting variant on accupuncture. Instead of inserting needles they cauterised the points.

He showed the tools. One was kind of like the tsuba for a samuari sword, attached to a metal handle. That would be placed on the patient's skin, over the accupuncture point. Then the other tool, which was something like a red-hot poker, would be inserted through the hole in the tsuba-thing to cauterise the point. The tsuba acted like a heat sink to control the burning.

The lama said it hurt. I believed him.
 
I just spoke to Red Flower in Beijing and got permission to post pictures of a Gua Sha treatment. She was a little hesitant as she was not sure westerners would understand, that they would misinterpret it as evidence of beatings, etc.

She decided to get the treatment because of tightness in her shoulders and it was hard to move her head. She says that the treatment did help her tightness and tension.

Here are the tools that are used for the scraping. Ceramic spoons can be used instead of these specialised tools.

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Here is a picture of her back 14 hours after the treatment.

(removed in edit)

In traditional theory, if there is too much heat energy inside, it will cause illness. The Gua Sha treatment allows the heat energy to be released through the bruises. Supposedly the bruising only occurrs in the areas that have extra heat energy. In this case, you can see heavy bruising around the shoulder area.
 
I have on my back. I have two herniated dics in my back and the pain was unbearable. Couldn't scuba dive anymore which I love. I took accupuncture for a few months and I feel like a new person. I'm back scuba diving and when I do get back pain it doesnt last long.
 
The Gua Sha treatment looks like giant hickeys. :D

I have a friend who sustained serious, life-threatening injuries and he swears that acupuncture was a big factor in his recovery.
 
Oh Howard, how can you stand to let them do that?
My wife's mother is awlays doing acupressure to my wife with this little brass tool and bruising her up pretty bad.
I told her it's ok to do the pushing thing, but no bruises.
Her mother tried to explain it to me.
Basically, the idea is that there is "bad blood" and you have to break it down so it will come out in her urine...

I said "yeah, we called that "bleeding" and it was discounted as a valid medical treatment more than 100 years ago.."

They call it symptomology or something like that, and it's basically sadomasochism and endorphin-triggering combined and painted with this sense of nationalism.
(Im talking about japan, nowhere else)

The truth was that she was stressed by her job and her mother.
Sometimes she needs a beer, some aspirin or a nap.
She doesnt need internal bleeding...
 
DannyinJapan said:
Oh Howard, how can you stand to let them do that?
A few points.

1. My wife and I are partners. I do not impose decisions on her.

2. She and I are currently on opposite sides of the planet.

3. As well as training in traditional Chinese medicine, she got the equivalent of an RN in China. She served for more than 10 years as a nursing lead for a major Beijing hospital. She has passed examinations for her US RN licence, and has one. She has a Master's in Nursing from the top ranked nursing school in the US. She has passed the US board exams and is a certified adult nurse practioner, meaning she can practice western medicine in the US, under the auspices of a physician. She knows more about both western and eastern medicine than I am likely to learn. I would feel a little funny giving this woman commandments about her health care.
 
I have seen smaller bruises on murder victims...
Its just shocking to look at.
Everybody makes their own decisions of course, but, I couldnt let them do it to Takako...
 
Indonesians do something similiar to Gua Sha and my wife thinks it cures everything from a cold to back pain. I just hope that no LEO sees it and gets the wrong idea.
 
Red Flower was a little nervous about my posting the pictures. I think I will go back and remove the disturbing one.

There was a movie produced about the difficulty for westerners in understanding the Gua Sha treatment.


From [url="http://www.21stcentury.com.cn/newspaper/content/20010301/2001030165.htm" said:
http://www.21stcentury.com.cn/newspaper/content/20010301/2001030165.htm[/url]
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'Gua Sha' opens in China
Dai Limin, 21ST CENTURY STAFF
"THE Gua Sha Treatment," a movie starring Hong Kong actor Tony Ka Fai Leung and Chinese actress Jiang Wenli, opened on the screen in China last week.
The movie exposes the life of a Chinese family in contemporary American society.
Datong Hsui (Leung) is a software designer in St Louis, Missouri. Eight year's struggle earns him the feeling of being at home in the US and the respect of its people.
His father, a traditional old Chinese man, visits him and takes care of his 5-year-old son, Dennis. The old man does "Gua Sha treatment" to his grandson to cure his stomach pain. The Chinese treatment benefits a person's inner system, but hurts the skin painlessly. However, the scar on the boy's back was regarded as evidence of mistreatment.
This creates all kinds of troubles for Hsui: the separation of father and son, the break up of Hsui and his close friend, the loss of his admirable job...
The film was directed by Chinese director Zheng Xiaolong, who resides in the US. The movie is committed to expose the conflict between Chinese and American culture and tries to find a common ground.
"I was inspired by a true'Gua Sha' event in '90s America, which stirred up the US media," Zheng said. "I noticed that Chinese immigrants who are eager to enter the mainstream American society are quite interested in how to survive the fierce cultural conflict."
Zheng was famous for directing the TV series "Beijingers in New York" in 1993, which depicted the struggles of Chinese immigrants who arrive in America.
He admitted the spirit carried through in "Gua Sha" was similar to that of the TV series, but he thinks he made some improvements in the new film.
"Although'Beijingers in New York' impressed audiences and got much praise, it lacked the description and analysis of cultural conflict. Instead, it focused on Chinese immigrants' material life," Zheng said. "But culture is the very base of spirit and of life."
"There are cultural conflicts in'Beijingers,' which serve as background, but it is face-to-face, more fierce and tangible in'Gua Sha.'"
Four main characters in "Gua Sha" represent four kinds of Chinese living in the US: The grandfather (Zhu Xu) is totally fresh to the new country and culture. Hsui makes great achievements in his career with his intelligence, but was not aware of the cultural conflict.
Jenny (Jiang Wenli), Hsui's wife, is aware of the conflict and tries her best to adapt. Son Dennis lives in between and reflects the conflict unconsciously.
The director exposed the cultural conflict with abundant examples of social value.
"It's a thorough reflection of divergence and should send people of both countries into deep thinking," commented Song Weicai, a film major at Beijing Normal University.
However, he doesn't think it is perfect, noting that the director took it for granted that the cultural conflict can be compromised.
"It's too difficult, even impossible, to solve the cultural conflict. But the director achieves it in the movie," Song said.
Because the movie was made in the US, it's heavily affected by the typical Hollywood mold, with truck racing and adventure. Some people think it is an excellent combination.
"The movie is about cultural divergence, but it combines Chinese and Hollywood movie culture well," said Huang Qifeng, a Beijing audience member, after the premier. "The movie itself is a way out of the conflict."
But some don't agree.
"I don't think the use of modern stunts works well with the topic," Song said.

 
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