OT Basic firearms questions

Well, I expect to shoot my target twice if I'm at close range, and able. I can do
this more quickly with an intermediate round than a battle rifle cartridge.

I don't really believe in magic bullets, though I do recognize that some are better designed for certain purposes than others. I'm not really impressed with .308 FMJ for anti-personnel usage, though if I'm sniping at the enemy at over 300 meters, I hopefully have some time for him to bleed out.

This changes, of course, if one is not limited to FMJ, and I see no reason to be.
For defending my house against bumps in the night, I won't reach for an FAL first, but just because it's not quite as fast and manueverable as the AR, Mossberg, or the AK I'll be getting shortly. Outside, with unknown ranges and targets, sure. I'll take the .308.

I would much prefer- given plentiful ammo- a 6.5x39mm, though. Performance on par with the .308, while being considerably lighter. You really
do get the best of both worlds, quick/light (handling) and deeper/further (round performance), which is why I
support a cartridge such as this: to replace both 5.56 and 7.62mm weapon in the US armory, greatly simplifying logistics and ultimately giving our
boys more firepower.

John
 
An update and correction. The 5.45x39 case came from the 7.62x39 which was derived from the 7.62x54R, Russia's main battle cartridge at the turn of the century. Still in use for machine guns and sniper rifles.

The correction is that though the 7.62x54R uses 308 diameter bullets, when they shortened and made the case rimless, they went with the 311/312 diameter of the British 303 for some reason. When CZ brought out it's 527 carbine on the short mauser action, there were problems with european manufacturers using 311 diameter bullets and the american mfgrs using 308 diameter. Import of the CZ's was stopped and later resumed, perhaps with a longer tapered freebore to help size the larger diameters down ???

While the AWB expiration lifts the onus on american made rifles, importation of military style semi-autos from abroad still have to meet the "sporting purposes" clause to be imported. One way many AK style weapons were imported before the ban's sunset was by substituting enough parts to allow them to qualify as US made. Yours and my FAL's could be abd most likely were imported that way John.

I expect that remanufacturing in the US to make guns importable will continue. FAL, M14, and G3 ( HK and Cetme types ) can continue, only now the world market flood of full capacity ( 20/30 round ) magazines for them will be allowed in.

I don't know how the AWB sunset bodes for the choice between the 5.45x39 vs. the 5.56x45 NATO. If you have the Russian caliber ammo is down to around $80 per thusand. With the AWB sunset you should be able to get magazines for the caliber very cheaply.

I suspect that US remanufacture of AK-74 types may result in them being chambered in the NATO 5.56x45 ( 223 ), but the only pre-existing mags for the caliber are in M16 type mags. There aren't a lot of 223 AK mags around.
How this will be resolved has yet to be determined.
 
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...don't know? During the great 'Rottweiler Wars' of the 1980's, I carried an M16A1 with a 40mm integrated FFGL (feline fecal grenade launcher), that was extremely effective at dispersing those mangy, roving, dog packs.

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Hungarian SA85M's made by FEG were the very best AK-47's ever made bar none! FEG no longer makes them but if you look you might be able to still find a new one on the net. If you go the AK boards most will agree with this statment. A fine rifle indeed!
 
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...don't know? During the great 'Rottweiler Wars' of the 1980's, I carried an M16A1 with a 40mm integrated FFGL (feline fecal grenade launcher), that was extremely effective at dispersing those mangy, roving, dog packs.

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LMAO !!

Now that's the BillPaxton I remember!!

:D :D
 
Errr, Rusty, whiel I believe you're right in the succession of the cartrdiges, x54R used .310/.311 bullets too, with the exception of some produced in Finland in the late 20s/early 30s(some of the M28 and M28/30s were produced with .308 bores, though the later M39s had .310/.311 bores).
 
Rusty, I had a G1 kit built by a friend on an Imbel receiver, with 7 US parts. I now have an STG kit build on Imbel with Shilen HB.

Humorously...
 
Odd that no one brought up the .30 M1 Carbine in the discussion of the evolution of M14 to M16...

Oh...credentials:
6 Years USAF Small Arms Marksmanship Training Unit
2 Years USAF Combat Arms Training and Maintenance Unit
3 times First Place Instructors World Competition in "Peacekeeper Challenge"
and I once shot a running rabbit with my S&W M15 with PGU from about 50 yards from the hip *in front of* three other SAMTU...
 
I once shot a running ground squirrel with a 32/20 single shot offhand at 60 yards or so....but then..I've missed them at 10 yards standing still...
Remind me of my long distance rifle shot.

And All shooters should have at least one great shot on a Big game animal- so they never try and do something so stupid again.

Hey Nasty- you're a target guy- How good is it to be able to hit a soda can at 65 yards offhand with a big bore revolver? I mean, where does that fit in the scheme of things?

(in case anyone has NOT heard my bromide- such shooting is very usefull, especially if you can convince the bad guy to stand still at 65 yards)

munk
 
As a party trick, I can shoot 5 soda cans in 3 seconds at 50 yards with my Winchester 94-22.

Those were some gooood parties...
 
I took that shot on a dare...had just taken another 1st and the guys figured I was due for a little shorts tightening. I never thought I'd hit it (especially from the hip), but did. I guess that answers the question about getting the bad guy to stand still...if you practice enough, even on immobile targets, you get better...and that might mean the difference between a hit and a miss when you need it.

I, of course, hammed it up by blowing the (imaginary) smoke off the barrel, giving it a quick spin and holstering it before casually walking on my way.

Pop cans at 65 is a good start...but they offer a lot more potential than you might think. I was the Senior Instructor and did the demos for each class...had a lot of fun doing those.

5 in 3 at 50 with all hits is a good one...especially with a lever! You could've made some money working the curcuit 75 years ago. I once got to see Bill Jordan do his routine...it included hitting tossed aspirin from the hip! I never was able to replicate that one.
 
OK, Nasty, skip the cans. I didn't want to have to bring this out, my second greatest shot, but here goes:

I once stood on the railing of a third story balconey and pissed on a burning paper sac on the ground below for a case of beer. Guy didn't believe I could reach the paper as far out as it was.




munk
 
I don't remember. If I was lucky it might have been Newcastle Brown Ale, but I think it was Coors.

I used to like Coors. American beer is too light for my taste, but Coors doesn't try to be anything else.


munk
 
LOL...a worthwhile effort then!

I just had this image of the entry it might have made with Darwin. "This week's winner of the Darwin Award: Young man named munk falls from railing while pissing at a brown paper bag for Schlitz."
 
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