OT? Bulldozer vs. Town

They shot him because they HATE not being able to control a situation, thats also why they hate citizens with guns. If he was dangerous he could have killed lots of people including the cops chasing him...

I agree, a L.A.W. hit while he was on the rampage would have been fine, but the way they shot him was downright cowardly...
 
i think it is a good sign to anybody out there who thinks twice about invading the United States.
bubba makes a better armored vehicle than uncle sam.
Its also a good warning to uncle sam about who runs this country.
(we do)
it is unfortunate, but it is a healthy thing.
kinda like throwing up after you get drunk.
 
If they could shoot him in the cabin- they could have gassed him.
How about sticking a water hose down the hatch?
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Now, what is really tricky is this- how much is a human life worth, especially one that's just endangered innocents, when he's holding up a major freeway and line of commerce? Don't you imagine a Mayor said to someone important, "I want that damn road opened and that tank stopped."

Course, these stupid stolen car chases lock up freeways too, and very few of them are shot to death. I can't remember one.

Its clear the police acted because of the grave danger- but they did not rationally think through their options.

munk
 
My turn to squabble - The tank was stuck but still running and had both tracks. In any experienced person's view, it was still in action. He could have (and was trying to) catch an edge and pop out, and that could have happened at any moment. The police either knew or were told this and took advantage of the potentially small window of opportunity.

I'm pleased that we can agree to disagree...but on Jury, I'd have held to the last that the shooting was good.

As for the "home crafter's easy tank design", the report said that he was well armed in the cab and took his own life after getting it stuck (either inexperienced as a tanker or out of fear of incarceration I suppose).
 
While I agree with munk that it is unfortunate that no other solution was attempted, I do think I'd be pretty afraid for my life atop a tank, if I was that cop. We don't know what happened, perhaps he was worried that the guy was trying to dislodge him and run him over. Personally I think it was "suicide by cop" and not the officer playing cowboy.
 
The cop on the tank was a hero. I believe he asked the driver to surrender his weapon and the driver (who was out of it) did not. Pretty standard- no review board here, but a Gas canister would have done the job. The man was not a carreer criminal- though I might be wrong on that. (he had drug problems)

much is being made of the tank still running. enough to rule out the gas cannister, huh? Gas in small space wouldn't have quick results huh?

All the oral reviews of the film footage- and they are not experts- said the tank was not going anywhere.

It's not really enough to argue about. I can see why it happened. I can also see why that guy on stair steps by his door in NY was shot by mulitiple cops multiple times for pulling a wallet out of his clothes. Doesn't make it right. In that case I was for aquitting the cops. So you see how I look at things.

I wanted to know why a cop pulled the hatch, and almost immediately shot multiple shots into the man. Period. That's how it happened. The cop didn't just shoot a couple times- he shot the guy lethally and in vital spots. The tank hadn't killed anyone. The driver did not shoot at police. He did not point a weapon at police. (I am not convinced the man even had a weapon, or had it on him.) The cop was probably told that if he could get a shot, take it.
Big question- lots of people go crazy with big vehicles and are not shot dead. Semi trucks can take a lot of people out. So can buses and other heavy equipment. All have gone on rampages.

Do you remember the Texas Tower sniper? He was shot dead on sight. Way to go. I agree. NO miranda rights. NOthing. Dead. Later, the exmarine was found to have a brain tumor.

Does anyone here understand that REALITY can go down differently, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it? It's not an either or world. That is why the cop in my book is a hero for jumping on the tank, and yet I think the man should have been left alive. I followed the chase. I was shocked and disapointed by the end.

In a way, this is a lesson for an armed police force. Give them the weapons and tools they need. If they had proper tools, they might have been more willing to use gas. Gas don't work? Tank off center divider? Blow it up. Why is it these agencies wait unitl disaster before acting? Miami FBI shoot out fiasco- OK- no more round nose nine millimeter. LA bank robbers with vests and automatic weapons- OK, cops need AR's too. Duh. Some of the shops that gave the police AR's were supplied by the distributor I worked for at the time. No one in the gun industry or shooting sports could figure out what in Hell LA was doing without semi auto or full auto weapons for emergencies. Oh, we know- politics. Cops don't need rockets. Well, I think they obviously do. Why wait the next time a semi is stolen, or Al Queda gets ahold of a rig and is heading for a nuclear power plant? I used to say for some high crime areas, the cops should travel in pairs, one with a semi auto carbine, one with a handgun.

If they had the tools, that pathetic driver might be alive. But they couldn't stop the tank and so killed the man who did not kill anyone. Something wrong there.

munk
 
Anyway, back to the D-9. There are multiple stories on it, and I don't remember which one mentioned the shots fired from the concrete plant, or the .50 a local let police use.

This rampaging malcontent offed himself with a single shot to the head. If the cops had shot him, they would be advertising the fact that their valiant efforts paid off. I'm not being totally sarcastic here- at least one police officer climbed on the vehicle and emptied his weapon everywhere he thought it might help.

John

I'm not jackstepping statist, but sometimes it's obvious someone needs to be stopped.
 
When I first heard of the armored Dozer I remembered heavy equipment must first be plated before use in Iraq. How do you think this homemade job compared?


munk
 
then he shoulda been spared, unless armed and threatening folks. Since he was in a fortified home made tank, on a rampage, with no one really knowing what would happen next, he should have been dealt with in accordance with the force required to restrain him which in this case was lethal force.

I think the police were not clued in to his agenda, and had to worry that he'd hit a commercial center like a mall, or perhaps a school or hospital (hey, while he was at it, he coulda done any of the terrible things that unbalanced folks are capable of).

No problem with how the sit was dealt with on the LEO side, although I do agree that there was something irking this guy. Still, he went waay overboard with it. This went waay beyond vandalism...

If anyone feels the urge to build a tank in secret and exact revenge like a vigilante, they should seek therapy. Yer a survivalist of you own and maintain such a vehicle, but a loony if you actually take out for a roll b4 the bombs are falling.

Keith
 
Why, yes, Ferrous; we can ask the DSM4 to include secretive tank building as a warning precursor to illness. If your neighbor starts building a tank, ask him how he's feeling.

But seriously, I bet there is some reference in there to projects of destruction.


munk
 
But skip the 'precursor' stuff. Armor plating and mounted guns suggest premeditated intent.

Yes, if my neighbor was building a tank and wasn't into collecting militaria or re-enactment, I might alert the authorities. I'd hate to think my basement would become a huge tank-trap.

Keith
 
A guy builds a tower; no one minds if he lives in the country. He hooks a rocket alongside and then you worry.


munk
 
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