Yes, the 30 Carbine is anemic next to a M14, but next to the Nine it looks quite good, especially at a 100 yards. We could have a thread just on the Carbine. I'm not sure what is on the standard pistol ballistic charts offered by reloading mags and companies today, but the Carbine out of a handgun used to bury the Nine, and it had the least drop at 100 yards. Military ball ammo almost insures the little carbine a pipsqueak role- inferior to modern Nine loadings and bullets. But use a soft point in the Carbine, (yeah- right- if you can get it to feed) and it'll be quite lethal. In foot pounds of energy it is much greater than the Nine or 45, but has been handicapped by small diameter and ball ammo.
Audry Murphy loved his, though.
I have a single shot 32/20 handgun that can be loaded quite hot- very much like the 30 Carbine, (though the 32/20 is three thousands or so larger diameter) and when you hit a gopher with one, he blows apart into a red mist and peices.
I had a Military Carbine once. I finally sold it to buy a Bike. They want way too much money for them today.
It was my first and last attempt to sell over the net. I went to a well known Firearms forum, and offerred all my mags, dies and brass along with the rifle for a reasonable price. A party said the rifle was his, not to worry, cancel all other offers. Then we spent two weeks of message tag...his girlfriend didn't want it...blaa blaa....He insisted I take it apart to verify serial numbers, and under the "Guruship" of his buddy in Calif, became convinced I had a Korean war arsonal import- those used by the Koreans after we left. These are not nearly as desirable. So he canceled the sale, and I was left holding the rifle without any of the earlier offers now valid- one such had already spent his money on another weapon. I was also irked that in the process of taking off the bayonet lug the Military added during WWll, it was unavoidable to not scratch the metal.
I took it to the Bozeman Gun Show, and had a mob of people around me from the moment I entered the door. I sold it for fifty less than I wanted, but still got an OK price. Guy who bought it hung a new price tag on it- a couple hundred more than I'd asked. It was a very nice US military carbine.
I know it had been arsenal refinished at some point, as the numbers were mixed, but the parkerization and metal were all excellent. The wood was superb.
I will always remember that carbine. I wonder what happened to the guy from Calif, and his guru gun buddy?
The subject of guns always brings out the race to be most correct. That's not a bad thing when we are good hearted, but can get a little snippy real fast. In many gun forums there are people who will gladly inform you without rancor, and those who want to take a chunk of your stupid, unworthy hide off for their enlightened effort, and carry it around like a flag of their superiority.
When we've been around a subject a long time, we easily fool ourselves we've seen about everything needs seeing. There was an excellent article on gun cults in the Gun Digest one year, and the writer, a fan of Jack OConner, pointed out later in life Jack believed a little too much of his own press. There was a now famous elk hunt where a .270 bullet 'bounced off' the neck of a elk. The writer knew of that hunt- he was either there or close to it, and witnessed the aftermath of the incident. The bullet apparently just failed, as bullets do from time to time. OConner, weary of the big bore crtics calling the .270 a Coyote gun (remind anyone of the poodle killing M-16?) did not believe a .270 bullet would bounce off any animal.
He hadn't seen it, he had a hard time accepting it.
During the period of time I managed a gun store and was heavily immersed in the subject, I became the 'go to' guy for questions. And like everyone flush from new knowledge, I thought I knew a few things. ( though I tried awful hard to remain decent and questioning) Throughout my life, though, I keep running into folks who know far more about guns than I. They aren't exactly common, but neither are they rare!
Anyway, in the off chance anyone has bothered reading this long and wandering post, I found HI forum to be the most decent place on the net I'd ever found. People were willing to show and teach and give you the shirt off their backs. Even in the Gun Tribe I love so much, there is not the kindness so universally shown as here. ( Though the truth of the thing is that most people who truly know a subject are humble and willing to share. )
My own gun time has come and gone, and like the old timer I hope to be, I'm about as savvy as I'll ever get, and know enough not to chomp at the bit or race to the finish. ( I hope- just don't get me started on the individual right to keep and bear arms- I cannot truck any revisionism on that) Here is this forum there are a number of gunnies, God Bless them. If you want model numbers and types, I generally look to Rusty. If you want practical experience, 45/70 is the man, and if you want one who is abrest of all that is new, and is very accurate in information besides, then Spectre is your man.
Why Khuks bring out fun, and firearm talk too often becomes elitest, I do not know.
munk
Audry Murphy loved his, though.
I have a single shot 32/20 handgun that can be loaded quite hot- very much like the 30 Carbine, (though the 32/20 is three thousands or so larger diameter) and when you hit a gopher with one, he blows apart into a red mist and peices.
I had a Military Carbine once. I finally sold it to buy a Bike. They want way too much money for them today.
It was my first and last attempt to sell over the net. I went to a well known Firearms forum, and offerred all my mags, dies and brass along with the rifle for a reasonable price. A party said the rifle was his, not to worry, cancel all other offers. Then we spent two weeks of message tag...his girlfriend didn't want it...blaa blaa....He insisted I take it apart to verify serial numbers, and under the "Guruship" of his buddy in Calif, became convinced I had a Korean war arsonal import- those used by the Koreans after we left. These are not nearly as desirable. So he canceled the sale, and I was left holding the rifle without any of the earlier offers now valid- one such had already spent his money on another weapon. I was also irked that in the process of taking off the bayonet lug the Military added during WWll, it was unavoidable to not scratch the metal.
I took it to the Bozeman Gun Show, and had a mob of people around me from the moment I entered the door. I sold it for fifty less than I wanted, but still got an OK price. Guy who bought it hung a new price tag on it- a couple hundred more than I'd asked. It was a very nice US military carbine.
I know it had been arsenal refinished at some point, as the numbers were mixed, but the parkerization and metal were all excellent. The wood was superb.
I will always remember that carbine. I wonder what happened to the guy from Calif, and his guru gun buddy?
The subject of guns always brings out the race to be most correct. That's not a bad thing when we are good hearted, but can get a little snippy real fast. In many gun forums there are people who will gladly inform you without rancor, and those who want to take a chunk of your stupid, unworthy hide off for their enlightened effort, and carry it around like a flag of their superiority.
When we've been around a subject a long time, we easily fool ourselves we've seen about everything needs seeing. There was an excellent article on gun cults in the Gun Digest one year, and the writer, a fan of Jack OConner, pointed out later in life Jack believed a little too much of his own press. There was a now famous elk hunt where a .270 bullet 'bounced off' the neck of a elk. The writer knew of that hunt- he was either there or close to it, and witnessed the aftermath of the incident. The bullet apparently just failed, as bullets do from time to time. OConner, weary of the big bore crtics calling the .270 a Coyote gun (remind anyone of the poodle killing M-16?) did not believe a .270 bullet would bounce off any animal.
He hadn't seen it, he had a hard time accepting it.
During the period of time I managed a gun store and was heavily immersed in the subject, I became the 'go to' guy for questions. And like everyone flush from new knowledge, I thought I knew a few things. ( though I tried awful hard to remain decent and questioning) Throughout my life, though, I keep running into folks who know far more about guns than I. They aren't exactly common, but neither are they rare!
Anyway, in the off chance anyone has bothered reading this long and wandering post, I found HI forum to be the most decent place on the net I'd ever found. People were willing to show and teach and give you the shirt off their backs. Even in the Gun Tribe I love so much, there is not the kindness so universally shown as here. ( Though the truth of the thing is that most people who truly know a subject are humble and willing to share. )
My own gun time has come and gone, and like the old timer I hope to be, I'm about as savvy as I'll ever get, and know enough not to chomp at the bit or race to the finish. ( I hope- just don't get me started on the individual right to keep and bear arms- I cannot truck any revisionism on that) Here is this forum there are a number of gunnies, God Bless them. If you want model numbers and types, I generally look to Rusty. If you want practical experience, 45/70 is the man, and if you want one who is abrest of all that is new, and is very accurate in information besides, then Spectre is your man.
Why Khuks bring out fun, and firearm talk too often becomes elitest, I do not know.
munk
