OT: Finally enough gun!

So that means if we buy a BUNCH of super redhawks...and a bigger bunch of Hacksaw Blades...we could modify the reevolver and save $300 bucks! WOOHOOO!

Then all we need is some JB Weld to put on some kinda front sight device...or better yet...I'm opting for the lazer option...

We could call it the HI LAZER BLAZER SPECIAL...hmm...the acronym on it would be HILB...kinda looks like Hillbilly...don't it?

A HILLBILLY Special?

...but who'd want such a wimpy caliber? Could we bore it out some? I spose a smoothbore model would be a little ridiculous..wouldn't it? A handheld slug gun...jeez then the turkey hunters would want one!! Then it would really be a Hillbilly Special...oh man somebody stop me!

Could we get it in a camo finish...I got same spray paint in the shop...

Shane
 
41 oz should make the recoil manageable. (Yes, I have shot 454 Casull out of a full size Freedom Arms revolver.)

My S&W 340 PD weighs in at 12 oz, and will handle 357 mag without blowing up. I shot a Buffalo Bore 357 round out of it and it just about pulverised the bones in my hand. My hand ached for some time after that. The mass of the gun makes a big difference in the perceived recoil.
 
I have thought that Super Redhawks would be much more attractive if the barrel ended flush with the shroud.

Still more ooomph that I want from a sidearm, though...'cept maybe with .45 Colts...300 grain at 900 fps, maybe?

John
 
I just won a SW 500 4" at a Friends of the NRA dinner I think it will give the 454 a run for it's money. I have a friend who has one and say's it isn't too much of a hand full althiough you may not want to shoot it a whole bunch. Unfortunatly I can't pick it up for a few more days thanks to the 10 day waiting period so I can't give a first had report. :D
 
Bill Marsh said:
In Georgia, with a 'carry permit' and a paid tax stamp on the MAC, you can carry it, legally. Did you know the MACs were made in an Atlanta suburb, Marietta?

GLocks in Smyrna, another Atlanta suburb?

Us Georgia boys like our guns!
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Yup, I remember when the original open bolt models were being made down there, media had a field day with it. (being as you really can modify the open bolt models to full auto in about five minutes) I remember that was the reason they started making them fire from a closed bolt, thusly making it incredibly difficult to convert to full auto. Wasn't that also one of the big reasons cited when they passed the machine gun law of 1986, or am I misremembering? Actually, maybe I am misremembering...it seems more like 1988 all that hoopla was going on with the MAC's....heck, it's a wonder I can remember any of it...I'm remembering news reports from when I was thirteen years old...so much for the theory that television doesn't influence or affect children that much...

Here in Alaska the CCW permit isn't even an issue, I just hate the $200 tax stamp and placing myself in the ATF's "radar" (as though I haven't already with a stack of yellow sheets thicker than the local phonebook, and about six different ocassions that the FBI has recieved my fingerprints) :rolleyes:

I think that is a really awesome looking revolver. you could carry plain old Windchester .45 LC Silvertips around town and load up for playing in the woods. (I've never truly found the legendary recoil of the .454 to be THAT bad actually) I've been carrying a S&W 625 w/ 3 inch tube for several years now, good leather really makes a difference. Hate the kydex holster I got for it though. :barf:

I just might place my beloved Smith on the for sale block for that one. Be hard though, since my wifes adopted it. (she shoots it better than her own custom 1911)
 
my gripe with the 454 is that it was a modern attempt to use high pressure to overcome physical limits; of hand, case, and gun. The original hot factory loads of the 454 are mostly gone, though, but it's pressure is still greater than that of standard mags like the 44 or 41.


munk
 
BruiseLeee said:
Does bigger blob of lead = bigger fun?
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Nah...it just helps some of us compensate for other shortages in our lives....refer to fraudian theory for more detail.... :D

Gotta say though, I percieve the 454 a bit differently than Munk. I think it's merely brought the .45 LC to its full potential with a lengthened case to keep it from getting jammed into someones old peacemaker, similar to what the .357 did for the .38 special cartridge. From what I can recall off hand, the .454 is achieving a heckuva lot more power than the .44 mag with only a negligible increase in C.U.P.

I might have to dig out some of my reloading manuals this evening and make sure I'm not talkin' out my a$$ again... :rolleyes: :D
 
I dunno... Seems better to have a 6 or 8 inch barrel on it if you want to stop a bear. After all, bears don't give a s__t about concealed carry options, and lower muzzle flash and recoil would help.
 
philthygeezer said:
I dunno... Seems better to have a 6 or 8 inch barrel on it if you want to stop a bear. After all, bears don't give a s__t about concealed carry options, and lower muzzle flash and recoil would help.
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I dunno, I kinda dig the short barrel. It's much more likely to be with you, than stashed on a boat, plane or in a cabin, shorter quicker sighting radius, and better weapon retention if someone, or someTHING gets on top of you, alot harder to smack or grab a two or three inch barrel than a longer one, on top of manueverability. As far as muzzle flash and overall accuracy...well...I guess that is a compromise, but as a back up weapon, I'd imagine it being used in a fairly short range, frenetic scenario anyways...

Sorry if I'm posting way too much and sounding all opinionated and stuff on this thread, I'm just REEEAAALLY enthusiastic about this one... :D
 
munk said:
Not much of a front sight, but the rear might hang up on a coat pocket.
It's just the Super Redhawk with the barrel even with the shroud.

You lose some velocity.



munk
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Shooting Times did a write up, if anyone wants to geek on the #s

"Overall, the average velocity generated by the .454 Casull loads in the 7 1/2-inch barrel was 1742 fps with 1823 ft-lbs energy. In the 2 1/2-inch barrel the average velocity was 1497 fps with 1346 ft-lbs energy. That amounts to a 14.1 percent reduction in average velocity and a 26.2 percent reduction in average energy caused by the 66.6 percent reduction in barrel length. When the same overall comparison is made with the .45 Colt loads, though not as germane to the issue of protective power as with the .454 Casull ammunition, the results come out as follows: the 7 1/2-inch barrel averaged 966 fps with 541 ft-lbs energy; the 2 1/2-inch barrel averaged 863 fps with 433 ft-lbs energy. That amounts to a 10.7 percent reduction in average velocity and a 20.0 percent reduction in average energy..."
 
I used to own a Freedom Arms Field Grade .454, in 7 1/2". It was a nicely made piece to be sure. It did not kick any worse than my Ruger .44 Blackhawk in 5 1/2". Although it cost a whole LOT more to shoot. I sold it for a nice profit and was happy to stick with my different .44's that I was using at the time. I finally settled down to just my 7 1/2" Redhawk. I shoot it better, and easier than all of the others I had.
I do like the look of this new Alaskan Ruger. It would be a nice .45 LC field carry gun. .45 LC is a great round. Sort of the 45-70 of the handgun rounds.
Maybe I will get to check one out at the gun show coming to town this weekend. ;)
 
Yahmanin, yes, I have the Shooting Times article here. I didn't want to quote from memory. There was also a recent 480 comparison, and I believe many of the loads in the 1300's in a 7.5 barrel were only in the 1100's (fps) in the Alaskan.

Runs with Scissors:

Speer 12 "factory (454) loads can exceed 50,000 cup."

The 44 mag is at a 40,000 cup maximum. That is a 20 percent increase in pressure for the Casul.

Granted, it can be loaded to the same Saami specs as other mags. I love the hot loaded 45 Colt. You'd think I'd have jumped on the 454 Casul, but I never did. I like the Ruger 480 concept a lot more.

Guys: the 480 and 454 Rugers cost more than the Super Redhawks in 44 mag. Different heat treatment, among other things. But I bet the Alaskan is in the same range and there would probably be no benefit to buying a standard 454 Super REdhawk and cutting the barrel. I have cut the Super Redhawk barrel before, though, and it is a simple process and you can have a front sight of your choice silver soldered on by any gunsmith at a low price.

munk
 
hoowee...that is more than a "negligible" increase in C.U.P, aint it? Thanks for lookin' that up.

Like the .480 concept alot myself, but...drawn to the .45LC downloads with the .454 chambering. For that matter staying with a .44mag wouldn't be a bad thing, ammo is dirt cheap, commonly available, and I think I still have some Ace Dube 328 grain cast rounds that were doing around 1,200 or so, which should count for something....

Unfortunately, I'm just dreaming at this point anyways, but it's still fun to benchrace the ideas a bit. :D
 
As for Big Blobs; yes, shooting a large diameter, heavy bullet is fun. At normal Saami pressures.

The 45 Colt is one of the nicest rounds, either loaded up or at standard velocities, and it is more fun than a 38 special.

Rusn with Scissors; I never wanted to clean the cylinder chambers of the Casul after firing a lot of 45 Colt. Maybe it would be better than I imagine.



munk
 
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