OT: Guns at work or guilty until proven innocent

We have those little cauliflower icons and the chicklets on another board I visit. The person's name appears whether we give + or - rep points. I believe that the owner of the board/supreme moderator could change this feature to show names if they wanted to.

Ice
 
Thanks for the kind words munk. I would think that if someone believed in their side of a argument enough to try to hurt someones rep over the issue then they would at least have the guts to stand up and admit who they are. Guess that is not the case here.
 
If they disagree- just say so. What's the point of the red? Na, Na Na Naa Naaa is the point.


I'm beginning to think unsigned red square givers are the same people who pass laws about wearing your pants too low.





munk
 
Howard Wallace said:
I'm not convinced that parking your car on private property gives the property owner the right to search it. Do you have any references on this? Your statement would seem to imply that the owner of Safeway or the barbershop has the right to search my vehicle when it's parked in their lots, and I don't think that is the case.
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It's their property, they can ask you to leave.

So, the Safeway owner would say "Sir, if I can't have a look inside your car I'm going to have to ask you to leave." If you stay there after he asks you to leave private property you are effectively trespassing.

Likewise, an employer can say "Employee, if I can't search your car you aren't going to be allowed to park it on our lot." This is totally legal, and I'm not aware of any way that you can force them to let you park on their property.
 
A grocery store would be different, I'm thinking. Maybe T. Linton will weigh in again. There may be codes which protect your vehicle in a parkinglot, say for food, or theatre, when you are not employed at same location.

That's varies State to State...


munk
 
The company I worked for has rules against firearms, carrying firearms, firearms in vehicles, etc, etc.

Never stopped me. I always felt that if they didn't see my pistol or, more importantly, didn't hear my pistol I'd do what I damn well please. Basically it was a "don't ask, don't tell" situation.

IMHO, the company who has all these weapon rules takes on a tremendous liability and responsibility for the safety of its employees. For example, a whacked out disgruntled ex-employee shows up with a gun and starts shooting, no one in the building can defend themselves because of the "firearm prohibition rules" of the company. I think a lawyer could make a case that the company took on a greater degree of responsibility when it issued the restrictive weapon rules. Of course, if a court ruled accordingly, it would only benefit the survivors of the victims since the disarmed employees would be dead.

Semp
 
There are some legalities there that the article did not address. The company has no right to break into a locked behicle, even if the employees did sign a waiver as a condition of employment. Local law enforcement has no right to search a locked behicle either, to enforce a company regulation on something that is not illegal otherwise. And of course the company itself cannot get a warrant for anything, it's not a law enforcement agency itself.

But all this is beside the point. The real question is, why is the company interested in guns outside the plant, anyway? Is this a politically corrrect issue, an attempt to make otherwise legal weapons carry so inconvenient that they support de facto disarmament of the population?

After all, it's not having a gun in the truck, or even carrying a gun concealed on the job that's a problem: it's using it to shoot someone for no acceptable reason! and we already know that a murderer isn't going to care what other laws he breaks.

Were there an off-site parking area, could gun owners park there and walk the greater distance in to the plant? But then, everyone would know which cars to break into to steal guns ... This all looks more like social engineering than safety policy.
 
In terms of social engineering...we had a comment here that the majority of dissent on the Supreme court decision strengthening search powers by the police was by democratic Party appointment.

Does anyone think seriously the same judges would object to gun bans in the parking lot of large corporations? Of course not. They would object to pot seizures from the vehicles.


munk
 
Esav Benyamin said:
This all looks more like social engineering than safety policy.
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I agree Esav. Our company also had a similar policy but it was never acted upon.
It was kind of funny one day when I had too go into the office for some reason. I carried a small 3" file knife, fixed blade, in a sheath on my belt. One of the office gals spoke up and said, "Is that a Lethal Weapon?" I looked at her and grinned and said, "Not nearly as lethal as this." I was carrying about a 12" long large phillips screwdriver in my hand.
That really took her aback, guess she had never thought of a screwdriver as a weapon before.:rolleyes: :D
 
Cool, Yvsa. Funny how people get scared of tiny knives and don't mind cars, nail guns, screwdrivers, etc. Like somebody needs to call it a weapon before it's dangerous in irresponsible hands. :barf:

Wait, I have an idea!

Let's just start calling guns and knives "beanie babies" and maybe people will stop opposing them! :D :D

... If only things were so simple. :)

Nam
 
Yvsa said:
That really took her aback, guess she had never thought of a screwdriver as a weapon before.:rolleyes: :D
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People are ignorant because they are too lazy to think. A moment's thought would clear up ever so many of life's little challenges. :D

As I often point out, although knives, or nail files, are illegal on board aircraft, my combat cane doesn't even rate a stare ... welcome aboard with a weapon that can beat any knife.

namaarie said:
Let's just start calling guns and knives "beanie babies" and maybe people will stop opposing them! :D :D
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Check out the last line of my sig: ... let's call them "edged tools". We'll confuse everyone on the left side of the aisle! :p
 
namaarie said:
Cool, Yvsa. Funny how people get scared of tiny knives and don't mind cars, nail guns, screwdrivers, etc. Like somebody needs to call it a weapon before it's dangerous in irresponsible hands. :barf:

Wait, I have an idea!

Let's just start calling guns and knives "beanie babies" and maybe people will stop opposing them! :D :D

... If only things were so simple. :)

Nam
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But they "are" that simple. Example. Many Boy Scout Councils have elected to absolutely prohibit "fixed blade knives" at their camps. (That is not national policy. I have checked repeatedly.) But they continue to sell for the use of the Scouts the "Chef's Kit" that contains a "large utility knife" and a "paring knife."

When I asked about this inconsistency, I was told that "kitchen knives" are not "fixed blade knives." There. All fixed. No problem. :rolleyes:

Maybe we could call fixed blade knives "Permanently Extended Folding Knives." :) "Robust Kitchen Knives"? :D
 
Thomas Linton said:
When I asked about this inconsistency, I was told that "kitchen knives" are not "fixed blade knives." There. All fixed. No problem. :rolleyes:

Maybe we could call fixed blade knives "Permanently Extended Folding Knives." :) "Robust Kitchen Knives"? :D
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I think another angle, perhaps, something like Folding Impaired.

We used to think the prohibition against straight knives at our local camp was silly. people walking by carrying axes across their shoulders. Lock back knives (the Buck being the most popular, Buck lites among the second most), but even well sheathed straights were verbotten.
 
Thomas Linton said:
But they "are" that simple. Example. Many Boy Scout Councils have elected to absolutely prohibit "fixed blade knives" at their camps. (That is not national policy. I have checked repeatedly.) But they continue to sell for the use of the Scouts the "Chef's Kit" that contains a "large utility knife" and a "paring knife."

When I asked about this inconsistency, I was told that "kitchen knives" are not "fixed blade knives." There. All fixed. No problem. :rolleyes:

Maybe we could call fixed blade knives "Permanently Extended Folding Knives." :) "Robust Kitchen Knives"? :D
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What a surprise they would get to find an 18" WWII khuk in my pack! Or, if they absolutely forbid fixed blades, I'll agree...

...And show up with folding stilettos and straight razors! God, I love beating the system.

Nam
 
namaarie said:
What a surprise they would get to find an 18" WWII khuk in my pack! Or, if they absolutely forbid fixed blades, I'll agree...

...And show up with folding stilettos and straight razors! God, I love beating the system.

Nam
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I confess. I thought of carry the entire "Chef's Kit" around, but the spoons and laddle are bulky. So I bought a Lone Wolf Harsey Ranger. It is not a "fixed blade." Makes a lovely doomsday "clack" when its 5" of S30V locks open. :)

(I have examine what you call a "khuk" and determined that it is actually an Asian brushhook and not a knife at all. Gardening tool. Sort of a sharp trowel. :D )
 
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