OT (maybe not): Tolerance

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Originally posted by Semper Fi

It takes all types to make a world, doesn't it? ;)
But sometimes some of the types just aren't our type. :D

What works for me is not to have or be a "type", and not to be judgemental of other "types" .

I don't care if a guy is a Communist or a Nazi, a Skinhead or a Hippie, an Atheist or Religious.

I could care less what anyone thinks or says, and it doesn't bother me if someone wants to spout off about their political theories or religious mythology, and, there is usually something in his rant that I can relate to.

Of course there's always a lot more that's nonsense or bullcrap, but so what. I don't feel threatened or have the need to respond to any of it. Usually someone who is spouting off isn't interested in response, and it doesn't have anything to do with the reality of whatever task is at hand anyway.

Of course I'm talking about interacting face to face in the real world, not on Internet Forums. On forums like this, emotionaly charged loads of BS are flung wide and far, but, that's entertainment.
 
Mama's tolerance, hi-jacked from Busse forum:

Dear Lord I pray
For wisdom to understand my man
Love to forgive him
Patience for his moods
Because Lord, if I pray for strength
I'll beat him to death
AMEN

:rolleyes: ;) :eek: :footinmou



And Hog's due in any minute:rolleyes:
 
I pray to God every day. Sometimes several times a day. One of them goes like this:

"Dear God, please help me be at least half the man my dog thinks I am."
 
Peace on Earth, good will toward men -- and if You can find a few nice sexy ladies to send my way I'd sure appreciate that, too.
 
Originally posted by Ben Arown-Awile
I don't care if a guy is a Communist or a Nazi, a Skinhead or a Hippie, an Atheist or Religious.

As to the Communist, Nazi, and Skinhead, I must respectfully disagree. They are of a type that is not my type. My opinion was formed at an early age when I first studied the history of World War II.
 
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What works for me is not to have or be a "type", and not to be judgemental of other "types" .

Au Contraire there!

Not to judge,under the guise of tolerant acceptance,the behavior/actions of those who are intent on doing harm and evil is a tragic rejection of one's wisdom,experience,and discernment.
But Hey! if that's a belief that floats your boat sail away.

You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe.
-- Carl Sagan (source unknown)


People seem not to see that their opinion of the world is also a
confession of character.
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson
 
No, I cannot accept; bullies, career criminals, street gangs & street pharmacists, hate groups, terrorists, and other scum.


"Evil will flourish when good men do nothing."
Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)
 
Originally posted by Ben Arown-Awile
I could care less what anyone thinks or says...

The post is about the acceptance of individuals of varying opinions, not the acceptance of immoral, illegal, or unethical actions.

Many people espouse stupid or noxious opinions and can easily be tolerated.

It's when they act upon them that the "righteous man" becomes outraged and takes counter measures.
 
If someone is so dedicated to his beliefs that he is willing to die for them, so be it, and I've no problem with that. My family's survival is more important to me than my own.

HOWEVER, when it becomes a matter of another choosing not to sacrifice himself for his belliefs but rather to sacrifice me and mine in his stead...

Let's just say he'd better be prepared to wake up at the bottom of an abandoned mine shaft with a couple of broken arms and legs. But I wouldn't be so cruel to leave him without company - say at least a dozen rattlesnakes.
:D :D :D
 
Sorry, Clearblue:

I should explain that I'd just finished a mala for myself out of 108 8mm beads of white howlite with carnelian counter beads after #27, #54, #81, and the Guru bead after #108, so that I got mellowed out a bit before I posted. The howlite is almost a perfect white but with grey inclusions like spiderweb turquoise. Not quite as accurate but easier to envision is to think of taking a photograph of snowflake obsidian and then looking at the negative.

Anyway, the howlite is an excellent reminder of the beautiful purity of it's white attainable by our souls mixed with the grey inclusions that are a part of our nature we must always strive to overcome. The carnelian just doesn't fit right. Maybe - I've been considering oosik or mineralized 10,000 year old mammoth ivory beads to replace the carnelian...

But next time I will remember the cardiologists that gave me a heart catherization over my objections and then lied about it. They thought I had a blockage - I knew I didn't.

I subsequently got a CCW permit and carry religiously when I visit a doctor.( A Smith Bodyguard loaded with Magsafes.) Thinking about that usually takes at least a couple meds and 15 minutes til I can take a deep breath, let it half out, and press the trigger straight back without my fingers flexing like I was wrapping them around neck of the sub-lawyer form of life.
 
ROTFLMAO.

Would you believe I used to be a bleeding heart liberal social worker for the State doing child welfare?

I didn't think so. Drop the bleeding heart liberal.

The rest is true - one day I'll tell why the local deputies always asked for me instead of the other 2 female social workers and female office manager. ( Besides the fact I used to be a Parole Revocation Hearing officer! )
 
Added due to concern expressed for Rusty's feelings:
"I've seen and heard awful things that support this view.
If this post in any way gives offense, I offer my
=most= sincere and abject apologies.
Please also see my followup post."


Originally posted by Rusty ........... CCW permit and carry religiously when I visit a doctor............ like I was wrapping them around neck of the sub-lawyer form of life.
(speaking of tolerance)
I'd like to point out there are as many different personalities / abilities / capacities / etc
of docs as there are any other group .

My wife is a physician/specialist who:
worries about her patients,
is frustrated by patients who -refuse- to take care of themselves,
is sued by the same,
annoyed by drug-seekers,
exhausted by every other patient argueing the truth of some quote
from a hairdresser, brother-in-law's friend, or newspaper article which
mentions something the patient takes as "the truth and nothing but the truth"
no matter how out-of-context or biased.
is harrassed by attorneys & patients who want her
to write formal excuses for "hangnails" or such trifles,
is inundated by HMOs & attorneys sending her 20-page questionnaires
asking for detailed rationales for standard courses of treatment,
is called at 2:00 in the morning by patients who were 'too busy' earlier
to ask about how to treat indigestion,
is called to the ER (because she's the primary care physician of record)
the -next- night at 3am to examine those same patients
who were told to go to the ER immediately if the indigestion / pain gets worse
after trying detailed multiple instructions for relief
delivered in a kind and patient voice,
the patient usually having some shopping & multiple other things
just as important to take care of before bothering going to the ER.

She is legally constrained by established 'standards of treatment'
in what she can recommend for her patient's benefit.
To recommend anything else opens her to lawsuits, &
increased cost & possible loss of insurance coverage.

My wife does not enjoy & does not get paid for wasting her own or anyone's time.
She get's only loss of sleep by answering the phone when on call
or by going to the ER (including through flood warnings and ice storms).
She gains no benefit from skipping lunch
(usually just an apple, or cup of yogurt, or a PBJ sandwich)
to answer phone calls or to see a last minute patient
who may or may not really need to be seen urgently.
Two weeks of vacation a year, period; and every day of vacation
means left-over paperwork to catch up on when she gets back.

And lastly, she prides herself on doing a good job and keeping on time.
And when she finishes seeing her last patient at 5pm,
she still spends 2-3 hours on the phone and computer
dealing with reports to other docs and to patients.
Some weeks my daughter doesn't get to see her for several days at a time.
I could go on and on with trials and tribulations and problems.

There are bad docs and those need to be avoided / reported / tarred & feathered / whatever appropriate.

But patients who walk in my wife's door
with a chip on their shoulder
just make her work & life more difficult.

Having been married to her over a dozen years now,
I myself don't see the benefits being worth the trouble.

The bottom line for me is that my wife, the physician,
is an individual who deserves respect.

Rant over.
 
Originally posted by BillTheCat
...as always Rusty, I find your thoughts impeccable :D

Maybe you could translate for those of us who find them incomprehensible. I always get the feeling that Rusty is writing in code and I have lost my magic decoder ring.
 
"Maybe you could translate for those of us who find them incomprehensible. I always get the feeling that Rusty is writing in code and I have lost my magic decoder ring"

You are not alone in having difficulty deciphering Rusty's writings ;)

Rusty's points of view/perspectives run askew (not sure that's even the right word for it?) of my own. Not diametrically oppossed to, mind you, but just foreign enough that I never know exactly what he will say. As such he usually illuminates something I would have never seen on my own. I find his writings thoroughly enjoyable, whether agreeing with him or not.


ddean,

As an RN I totally agree with what you've written, having seen plenty of that sort of thing. But please realize that your speaking in generalities about a few problem patients. Many times I've read Rusty's bitter discontent with the medical profession. It had left me with questions. It had compelled me to post trying to defend the integrity of the medical profession. It made me question Rusty's human nature. However, after actually speaking to him in person, I assure you he has a legitimate reason to be angry and concerned. I'll say no more about it.

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ddean,

maybe your wife would consider being the cantina Dr. She may have to listen to us spout off, but at least she could then dish it back to us. We could handle it. :D

I , too, have had my fill of drs. that don't care about the human but just the $$. And I've also had my fill of the insurance co. I now have to put up with only VA drs., but at least it doesn't cost me anything and I get exactly what I pay for. The only dr. that I went to that really cared about her patients costs me $150 for a 30 min. visit. To get any relief from the pain I needed to go twice a month. Then the insurance co. quit paying saying I wasn't showing any progress (in my case it's a chronic injury that will be with me the rest of my life) Well there is no way I can come up with that much $$ in addition to all the other medical I pay, so now I just try to get by and hope I can keep smiling in spite of everything else. I can honestly say I'm so sick of being in pain that sometimes life doesn't seem worth living. If it wasn't for the cantina I just might not care to. :rolleyes: ;)
 
Originally posted by mamav
...I , too, have had my fill of drs. that don't care about the human but just the $$. And I've also had my fill of the insurance co. .....


Me too. More than my fill. Of both.

ddean - this seems to be the problem - the good doctors, like your wife, end up being run ragged for comparatively little benefit to themselves. and they end up being mobbed by the sort of patients you describe.

then the other patients end up with the money-seeking doctors.
 
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