OT -- military pay

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Hey Sarge, Pappy, Uncle Bill -- this one's for you! ;)

On 12 Nov, Ms Cindy Williams (from Laverne and Shirley TV show) wrote a piece for the Washington Times, denouncing the pay raise(s) coming service members' way this year -- citing that the stated 13% wage was more than they deserve.

A young airman from Hill AFB responds to her article below. He ought to get a bonus for this!

"Ms Williams:

I just had the pleasure of reading your column, "Our GIs earn enough" and I am a bit confused. Frankly, I'm wondering where this vaunted overpayment is going, because as far as I can tell, it disappears every month between DFAS (The Defense Finance and Accounting Service) and my bank account.

Checking my latest leave and earnings statement (LES), I see that I make $1,117.80 before taxes. After taxes, I take home $874.20. When I run that through Windows' Calculator, I come up with an annual salary of 13,413.60 before taxes, and $10,490.40 after.

I work in the Air Force Network Control Center (AFNCC), where I am part of the team responsible for the administration of a 5,000-host computer network. I am involved with infrastructure segments, specifically with Cisco Systems equipment. A quick check under jobs for Network Technicians in the Washington, D.C. area reveals a position in my career field, requiring three years experience with my job. Amazingly, this job does NOT pay $13,413.60 a year, nor does it pay less than this. No, this job is being offered at $70,000 to $80,000 per annum. I'm sure you can draw the obvious conclusions.

Also, you tout increases to Basic Allowance for Housing and Basic Allowance for Subsistence (housing and food allowances, respectively) as being a further boon to an already overcompensated force. Again, I'm curious as to where this money has gone, as BAH and BAS were both slashed 15% in the Hill AFB area effective in January 00.

Given the tenor of your column, I would assume that you have NEVER had the pleasure of serving your country in her armed forces. Before you take it upon yourself to once more castigate congressional and DOD leadership for attempting to get the families in the military's lowest pay brackets off AFDC, WIC, and food stamps, I suggest that you join a group of deploying soldiers headed for AFGHANISTAN, I leave the choice of service branch up to you. Whatever choice you make, though, opt for the SIX month rotation: it will guarantee you the longest possible time away from your family and friends, thus giving you full "deployment experience."

As your group prepares to board the plane, make sure to note the spouses and children who are saying good-bye to their loved ones. Also take care to note that several families are still unsure of how they'll be able to make ends meet while the primary breadwinner is gone -- obviously they've been squandering the vast piles of cash the DOD has been giving them.

Try to deploy over a major holiday; Christmas and Thanksgiving are perennial favorites.

And when you're actually over there, sitting in a DFP (Defensive Fire Position, the modern-day foxhole), shivering against the cold desert night; and the flight sergeant tells you that there aren't enough people on shift to relieve you for chow, remember this: trade whatever MRE (meal-ready-to-eat) you manage to get for the tuna noodle casserole or cheese tortellini, and add Tabasco to everything. This gives some flavor.

Talk to your loved ones as often as you are permitted; it won't nearly be long enough or often enough, but take what you can get and be thankful for it. You may have picked up on the fact that I disagree with most of the points you present in your op-ed piece.

But, tomorrow from KABUL, I will defend to the death your right to say it. You see, I am an American fighting man, a guarantor of your First Amendment rights and every other right you cherish. On a daily basis, my brother and sister soldiers worldwide ensure that you and people like you can thumb your collective nose at us, all on a salary that is nothing short of pitiful and under conditions that would make most people cringe.

We hemorrhage our best and brightest into the private sector because we can't offer the stability and pay of civilian companies. And you, Ms Williams, have the gall to say that we make more than we deserve?

Rubbish!

A1C Michael Bragg, Hill AFB AFNCC"
 
Stick her arm full of shots, hand her four duffle bags full of crap, and put her on the next thing smoking over to Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia, etc.. As soon as she gets there, put her on the shi+ burning detail in an area that hasn't been thoroughly cleared of mines, and also inform her that the locals are being offered a bounty to kill any GIs they can get their hands on including her. Let her point a loaded rifle at an eight year old kid, because the kid's not where he's supposed to be and carrying a package that looks suspiciously like a bomb. Send her down to the field hospital to help exchange bed linen, no need to tell you what she'll see there.

Let her do all this, and more that I don't want to go into, for months during which her family has to pretty much fend for themselves, with nothing she can do to help them. Then tell that bit*& she's overpaid.
 
Not very PC, being a soldier (generic term) these days. Too much bad press over the years.
 
Great letter!

Unfortunately, government employees are rarely paid sufficiently for the benefits they contribute, at least on the low end of the totem pole.
 
pays more than the $$$ the govt pays soldiers. The least everyone can do is supplement the pay of the fighting men of their own country WITH A LITTLE RESPECT.

For all I know, the trail of my own mangled and maimed ancestors (GGF-Purple herat, GF - Purple heart) paved the way for me, and I owe them. Friedrich and Harry Sauers, this round's fer you. And for all folk of the military HERES TO YOU!

Keith
 
When I signed on 50+ years ago the pay was a whopping $75 per month. Somewhat better than the grunts of WWII who were trying to wade ashore at the beach at Normandy for $45 a month.

How much is a human life worth anyway?

Very damned interesting to me is this observation: If somebody chooses to smoke and gets cancer and dies from it the courts are apt to give the person 20 million bucks or so of the tobacco company's money while they are dying.

If you get mangled in a car accident you might get a couple million bucks or three from the insurance companies per court order.

This gives us an idea of what the laws of the land think life and limb might be worth.

How much does a widow and kids get if the old man is KIA? How much if he gets his arms and legs blown off?

Don't talk to me about military pay. There ain't enough money in the world to make it right.
 
My son is in his third week of Ranger School preparing himself to defend his country and the rights it guarantees to all its citizens, even those with an obvious lack of common sense and an overwhelming need to make it public. I'm sure Ms. Williams was paid a healthy salary to act stupid on TV. I hope she was paid what she's worth for this column.

bt
 
My son is in his third week of Ranger School preparing himself to defend his country and the rights it guarantees to all its citizens, even those with an obvious lack of common sense and an overwhelming need to make it public. I'm sure Ms. Williams was paid a healthy salary to act stupid on TV. I hope she was paid what she's worth for this column.

bt

:grumpy:
 
I'm a little surprised anyone could have complained about military salaries being too high. When Bush was elected he wanted to raise them but could not,if I recall correctly, and even now could not as much as he'd wanted. The token he managed was small enough.
Soldiers and prison inmates have one thing in common; they're both forgotten by the mainstream until the first is needed and the second broken out.

munk
 
Originally posted by btice
I'm sure Ms. Williams was paid a healthy salary to act stupid on TV.
bt

:grumpy:

Based on her nearsighted article, It's entirely possible That she wasn't acting stupid, BUT just being herself! I wish she was on the "Human Shield" Flight from the other thread. People who've never been "in the real world" or been in harm's way should shut their cake holes before commenting on subjects they can't possibly understand.

:mad:
sorry 'bout the rant

-Craig
 
It's not really very fair to post articles like this without checking the facts. Snopes.com is always there for anybody to go look. And since she is actually a nice and patriotic lady, it hardly seems sporting to wish harm to her.

Go see for yourself: http://www.snopes.com/military/gipay.htm

Variations: In early 2002, one small change was made to the e-mail: "But, tomorrow from Kabul, I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Origins: No, actress Payback time! Cindy Williams, who portrayed sweet, lovable Shirley Feeney on the 1970s sitcom Laverne & Shirley hasn't been writing newspaper articles denouncing our "overpaid" servicemen. Back in January 2000, a different Cindy Williams -- one who is a senior research fellow at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and was once assistant director for national security in the Congressional Budget Office -- contributed an op-ed piece to The Washington Post (not the Washington Times) in which she criticized a proposed 25% pay increase for military personnel (on top of a 4.85% raise that had just been enacted). In her article, Ms Williams maintained that claims that servicemen in the military suffered a 13 percent "pay gap" relative to the private sector were inaccurate, and that military personnel were already well paid compared to the average American.

The full text of Cindy Williams' article can be found here (hotlink in the original). The response quoted was indeed drafted by the airman named, although it was not published in The Washington Post.

The misidentification of the original article's author has caused no end of grief for Cindy Williams the actress:

"I've done everything to try to squelch it, but nothing seems to work," says Miss Williams of "Laverne and Shirley" fame. "I have people writing and calling me, even my friends, asking: 'Are you against a pay raise for the military?' And I reply, 'You know me, I'd fight [in the military] if I could, because I am such a patriot.'"

Ironically enough, much of the angry correspondence (even "hate mail") the actress has received has come from the military ranks.

"It's been really worrisome," says the actress. "It's terrible to malign people like that. I don't know where to go to say I didn't do this."
 
Good on you for keeping us square Gregg. Maybe we got mad at the wrong Cindy, but you can still tell the right one to come on down to Fort Hood and do the duffle bag shuffle with the rest of us headed for some more overpaid "fun".

Sarge
 
To all of those in our Armed Services:

In this time of heated debates about war or no war, millitary pay, and the economy, let me be just one of the first from my generation to thank you for your service to our great land. I'll be 22 years old next month. I've never experienced war first-handed. I was 11 years old when we first went to the Gulf. I saw troops on TV and night vision footage of bombs over Bagdad and television specials for aid and relief. But i knew nothing of this war. My father was even too young for Vietnam. missed the cutoff by 6 weeks. He knows nothing more of the war than what he was fed on television as well. I am in college now and have not joined service as i believe my better served place is here in acedemics. My family has been blessed to have not lost a loved one in an armed conflict in decades. We know nothing of war.

HOWEVER, i have seen evil. I watched in horror as those planes slammed into glorious towers of steel and glass. I watched as the innocent begged and screamed and leapt and died. I watched as our nation was given a square kick in the sac as the wool was removed from our eyes and filled with dust, smoke and tears. I watched as we stood up and wiped the blood from our mouth, flaired our nostils and called out the thunderous dogs of war upon those that hate our freedom. I watched (from a televison) as we crushed the Taliban. I watched a nation harden with steely resolve. I was proud. For the first time in my life i understood the pride of being an American.
I thank you brave men for allowing me to feel that, for giving an ignorant and spoiled youth a chance to really understand something important about who i am and what that stands for.

Now in these troubled times with Iraq, when peace is impossible, i offer my support and all the support i can muster from friends family and strangers as you go off and give them the fight they have earned by thumbing their noses at us for 12 years. Our allies are dumbfounded by our new found aggression. Thats tough. This is something that needs to be done and done now. We used to trade punches with our enemies. That is until we were sucker-punched by someone that hates us so much. Please, forgive memebers of my generation as i am sure the protests on college campus' and capital hill will only get worse as the conflict goes on.

To all of you that have served, Thank you for paving the way. To all of you that are lacing your boots and writing out wills, Thank you for your bravery in our time of need. To all of you sending your children to this desert hell, Thank you for rasing the salt of the earth and i pry to God for their safe return.

You all deserve so much more than this country grants you. I am saddened that someone can actually pen an arguement of why soldiers (those that fight and bleed and die for this glorious country) should receive less for their bravery. You truly are the bravest of the brave. I know the bleeding-heart article has angered you, as it should. But i also know deep down that our government could cut your pay to a third and you'd STILL march on and defend this country.

Thank you for you time and God bless.

Sorry for the long rant;)
Jake R. Kelley
 
But i also know deep down that our government could cut your pay to a third and you'd STILL march on and defend this country. >>>


..I dunno; does that still include Monday Night Football?






munk
 
I guess it was easy to jump to the wrong conclusion, what with Hollywood's great record of supporting our military.

bt
 
Nightline subject last night was military pay, featuring Marines of Camp Pendleton. Very sympathetic piece.
 
People in the Military do a thankless job, don't get paid even close to enough for what they do.

And have to put up with crap from the media and government officals (Civilians) along with all the people who were never in the military.
 
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