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A Rational Choice
Trapped Climber’s Parents Say He Knew It Was Cut Off Arm or Die



May 6
— For Aron Ralston, his arm pinned under an 800-pound boulder that he could not move in a remote Utah canyon, the choice was no choice at all.




The mountain climber used a pocketknife to amputate his arm, but first he realized he had to smash the bone, because his knife was not sharp enough to cut through it.

"He actually broke his bone when he realized and decided that he was going to do the amputation," Ralston's mother, Donna, said today on ABCNEWS' Good Morning America.

"He actually forced his arm against the boulder and broke the bone so he would be able to cut through the tissue, because he knew from his experiences that the knife he had wasn't sharp enough to actually cut the bone," she said.

Aron Ralston, 27, is an extremely experienced climber who has also had search and rescue training, so he was able to think clearly in a situation in which many people might have panicked, his parents said.

"He said within the first hour he had identified he basically had four alternatives: someone would come along the trail, he would be able to chip away at the rock and free his hand, he would be able to rig up something with the ropes and equipment he had to move the rock. If all else failed, he said he knew he would need to sever the arm," Larry Ralston said.

Once he made the decision of what he had to do, he put his first aid training to good use.

"He had a long time to think about it and he … had some idea of what to do and how to apply the tourniquet correctly, and actually, he lost very little blood," Larry Ralston said. "The doctor indicated that he did not even have a blood transfusion during the transport or at all. So, he was lucky in that respect."

After breaking his own bone and then sawing through his arm, Aron Ralston rapelled down from the position where he had been trapped and hiked five miles before two tourists found him on Thursday.

Successful Operation

His handwas recovered from under the boulder on Sunday, but doctors determined that it was too badly damaged to be reattached.

Doctors said Aron Ralston was in fair condition following an operation on Monday to prepare his right arm for a prosthetic device. It took two surgeons at St. Mary's Hospital in Grand Junction, Colo., only one hour to shorten the bones in the forearm about one inch, and pull muscle and skin over the end to close the wound.

"The doctor was very pleased with the way the wound came together and he's in a cast which is pretty big," Donna Ralston said. "We think that will be a few weeks but he'll be fitted for a prosthetic soon and Aron is looking forward to continuing his life in the outdoors."

Ralston is expected to be released from the hospital later this week.

The boulder did not fall from above on Ralston's arm, but came dislodged as he was climbing down it and crushed his limb, the climber's father said.

"It was a rock in a narrow slot canyon, the walls are very close together," Larry Ralston said. "There was a large boulder on top. Aron indicated to us that he had actually walked and stood on top of that rock, it seemed very stable.

"When he started to lower himself over the side of it, the rock was so perfectly balanced it tilted, swiveled over and ended up coming down towards him on top. He just was not able to get his hand out of the way," he said.

Scary Moments

Ralston's parents admitted that when they first heard what their son had done, they were as shocked and horrified as anyone, but then as they considered the situation he was in it made more sense.

"My reaction when I found out he had cut his arm, it was like, oh, my God," Donna Ralston said. "But the more I thought about it, the more rational a decision I realized that was."

Even with their son safely in a hospital bed and doctors confident of his recovery, Donna Ralston said there have still been some anxious moments, even if only in retrospect.

"The scariest comment I've heard was last night when Aron commented that he was to the point of starting to leave directions on how his friends and family should scatter his ashes," she said.

Now his parents say Aron Ralston admits he should have told someone where he was going, but they say he will continue to climb alone.

ABCNEWS' Bill Redeker in Junction City, Colo., contributed to this report.

(I would have been chipping away at that rock (or mountain) like a jack hammer!)
 
:barf: Honestly, I don't know if I could do that, and I dont ever want to be in a situation where I could find out.
I've been to Moab a couple times, and it's certainly not the sort of place one adventures around alone without telling someone. That was a big mistake.:(
 
This was an experienced climber and outdoorsman. At least, out of doors. His knife was too dull to cut bone?

I respect what he did. Makes me wonder what kind of outdoors skills this generation learns as expert. You can bet Townsend Whelen's knife would have been sharp enough to cut bone.

He had no alternative. He made the best choice. He made the choice 60 or a hundred years ago would have gotten less commotion than today.

I read once that the main thing that keeps some alive while others die is the willingness to live. How many would just lay under the rock?



munk
 
I'd think it depends on the knife. I'm not sure a think little SAK or similar would be up to bone.

Pounding through with a rock as a hammer wouldn't be very easy with one hand.
 
He was there..five days? I'm betting his arm did not have all the feeling to it. But what do I know?

I'd hope all of us would sacrafise a limb to save a life.

I think some of you are underestimating yourselves.

Pain is different when there is an emergency than when you are reading the account in a paper.

It was probably real painful just sitting there, starving, with one's arm rotting under a boulder. I bet he felt relieved to get out of there.

munk
 
Originally posted by Tohatchi NM
I'd think it depends on the knife. I'm not sure a think little SAK or similar would be up to bone.
Oh sure, just takes a couple hours of whittling...:barf: :barf:
 
Oh sure, just takes a couple hours of whittling... >> donuts


everyone knows with a small blade he could have bored a hole in the bone, sucked all the marrow out for strength, and then snapped the arm at the weak point.




munk
 
Originally posted by Kismet
May 6:
For Aron Ralston, his arm pinned under an 800-pound boulder that he could not move in a remote Utah canyon, the choice was no choice at all.

Now his parents say Aron Ralston admits he should have told someone where he was going, but they say he will continue to climb alone.

Yup, but his stupidity got him here in the first place.:rolleyes: See italics above.:rolleyes:

The mountain climber used a pocketknife to amputate his arm, but first he realized he had to smash the bone, because his knife was not sharp enough to cut through it.

Good reason to carry a sharp khuk. One whack and it would've been over.:D :p

Now his parents say Aron Ralston admits he should have told someone where he was going, but they say he will continue to climb alone.

I was wrong. He isn't stupid; he's a fool*.:rolleyes:

Stupidity:
Can't be helped.

Ignorance:
Can be rectified by teaching.

*Fool:
Knowing better, but going ahead and doing it anyway.
 
Yvsa, you're being much too harsh on him. Everyone knows it can't happen to an 'expert' outdoorsman. Besides, he's already learned what to do in case of emergency. If it happens again he'll gnaw the remaining arm off.


munk
 
Yvsa said what I've been thinking, but didn't voice.

Not only did he go alone, he didn't "file a plan" to help others locate him when he didn't come back within X amount of time..

If his knife wasn't sharp enough, what other parts of his gear did he fail to check for suitability.

The press kept talking as if he were heroic. Of course we all know how the press makes an effore to report accurately rather than sensationally.

The poor guy was talked about as having extensive skills. As having done heroically. In fact he is equivalent to a guy changing a tire who failed to apply the parking break and left it in neutral and tires unchocked and as a result, the car rolled forward and pinned his hand.

They should draw this up in a cartoon series so 13 and 14 year olds can read and learn the lesson of what he did foolishly wrong.
 
If they'd found him in 48 hours, I wonder if his hand, or at least more of his arm couldn't have been saved.

I hadn't thought to ask about why they could not find him. It was reported he realized from behind the boulder he'd never be spotted. That didn't address that no one knew where to look.

It is ridiculous to leave no trip plan behind, shameful from a man who'd climbed 14 or 16 of Colorado's highest peaks.

Thanks to Yvsa for bringing the truth.

Ten years ago when I used to hike in the Mojave, my wife knew where I was. But that wouldn't have helped me if I'd been snakebit far from the truck or road. The Doctor's wouldn't give me any antivenom to take along, either. So, should I not go, wait until I could hike with friends? Instead of every week there would have been about 10 hikes a year. Maybe less- there were no takers in Summer. Roaming around was the only thing that kept me sober and sane in Southern Calif.
I always brought emergency water, blankets, and a snakebite kit.

munk
 
Munk, when I used to ride a 3-wheeler 15 miles each way from the Tribal Hall to the camp I monitored I wore boots under chaps with mesh steel centers. Supposedly guaranteed by a herpetarium in Florida.

I still ran over a coiled rattler and 50 feet down the road the thre wheeler and I parted first, and then stopped, and I checked to see if it'd wrapped itself around the wheel/ rear axle. It hadn't.

Shortly after that I bought a pickup and sold the Honda 3-wheeler. More from a scare where a small plane flying nap-of- the-earth and I mistook each other briefl for someone else. The pickup let me carry a 15 shot 35 Remington handy ( an old prison guard gun but able to take out a Continental or Lycoming engine ).
 
Radio? Cell Phone? Walkie-Talkie? Satelite Phone? Signal Flare? Whistle?


Anybody who has the stones to cut their own arm off I want in my fox hole. But I don't want this guy digging my fox hole. Plan ahead.

A pint of sweat saves a gallon of blood.
 
Cell phones were relatively new, at any rate 10 miles out from the road in the badlands I doubt even a chopper could find you in time after a snake bite from the Mojave Green. But maybe- they have an antivenom for it now. When I first started exploring the Mojave they had not antivenom for it. You could bring snakes to Loma Linda Medical center for a small financial reward.

There would be no one to hear a whistle. Back in those days I considered myself something of an 'expert'. I intentionally went looking for different types of rattlesnakes and found them often.
I could move around the desert carefully even in the heat of summer. I was in very good shape.

Roaming the desert and mountains saved my life. I'd do it again. That's how I got into firearms and the second amendment...another story.

I would like to say that I've never been bitten by a rattlesnake. IN all the times walking under a full moon in the desert, and countless daylight and evening hours, I never had a single problem. I carried a 'snake stick' (fishing pole without eyelets to thrash ahead if neccesary- light and easy to carry.)

All the times I could have been biten by a rattlesnake occured when I wasn't paying attention. The snakes gave me the benefit of the doubt.

It is impossible to 'pay attention' and avoid them forever. Once I could have easily sat down on one. Another time one crawled right past me on the way to the den. Another went over an embankment into a gully rather than face me. Another declined to bite me when my fingers were near a small bush, and I mean small, that couldn't possibly hold a snake but did. Most my close calls occured after I'd left the Mojave, here in the mountainess West, and perhaps I was not as sharp as I once was. This was my first experience around snake dens, and the rattlers have a different psychology there.
Rattlesnakes are not the aggressive killers some make them out to be. Though I doubt either the Western or Eastern Diamond backs wouldhave been so kind. Even the Audubon field guide says these snakes will stand their ground- take Heed!

I always carried a knife to make cuts and suck the venom- even if the guides no longer recomended that.

I got my roving done before Calif closed off much of the desert. Things I used to do and see there are not practical any longer in many places.


munk
 
My dad told me during the Second World War before Malaya fell that a whole group of Gurkhas were fighting the Japanese.

During one furious encounter, a Gurkha soldier had one of his arms shot to bits. The Gurkha took out his khukuri, lobbed off the "useless" arm, switched the gun to the other arm and continued shooting.

Now that's what I call courage.
 
munk :

This was an experienced climber and outdoorsman. At least, out of doors. His knife was too dull to cut bone?

Many people use the term sharp to describe the overall cutting ability, which was likely the case here. In that defination there is no knife "sharp" enough to cut bone. You need to either chop or saw it.

No defense for his other choices though, going out alone with no way to get help and without leaving specific details on where you are and how long you will be gone is just basic preperation.

-Cliff
 
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