OT: munk - Why a 10MM?

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munk- Don't look at me. I paid HI off, but now must start from scratch to buy a 10mm.
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I didn't want to highjack the UB blem thread with this question but why do you want a 10MM? I thought that cartridge had pretty much died. Collector reasons? You're very knowledgeable about guns and was curious why?
 
Blasted shell got POWER--especially 10mm silvertip hp--but cant u push 40sw to same speeds because of thicker cartridge wall? GLOCK helps w/recoil
 
As Danny has said regarding non-firearms (and as I have said regarding firearms), it depends on the training and skill of the user...everything is a weapon. A 9m/m, .45, .38, .22, .32, .454...all will kill. Control and appropriate selection of the tool for the intended purpose is what counts. Webleys and SAA's are "pretty much dead" but still absolutely effective in trained hands. Recoil is relative and no one make/model is a cure...practice is.
 
10mm packs a very definite punch, and definitely not dead, least not among certain class of shooters. Don't suggest it personally to most shooters, one of those things where it's not for everyone, and those it's well suited to, already know the round, and proboably have a 10mm or are saving for one. :)
 
The 10mm is not, nor will ever be, equal to the 41. How that tale got started is anyone's guess. Maybe because it more than equals the old police loadings of the 41. It is however, the easiest way to put power in a semi auto handgun, a project I've never bothered with because revolvers handle power better. It's power level is usually beyond the 357 but short of a 41- but not always. There are 357 loads that are very close. But- the 10 mm is the best handgun cartridge I never owned, and an old friend has an example in pristine shape for a great price. He needs the money, his health is poor, and the weapon will be a momento of him.

Because it is straight walled, reloading ammo is easy. I can see that nightmare with 45acp case confusion though. On the other hand, I don't have trouble keeping 41 cases out of 44 so maybe not.
There are some semi auto cartridges out now with power- the bottlencked Sig 357, but I don't want them. I actually don't really want another semi auto, but under these circumstances will. I actually wouldn't mind a DE50 if someone would voluteer to carry it around for me.

The 10 is an orphan and not one I would suggest to most shooters.

What i really want is a Ruger 480, and another 375 H&H. I am wondering with my new back if it's in the cards for a 375.

munk
 
Sidenote:

Guys- I'm going to see a specialist this morning and then it's up to a friend's house in the Rockies for a few days. I may not be back at these boards until Tuesday of next week.

It will be good around this place without munk's overly free speech. No one's so unique they shouldn't remember to shut the, well, up. If it takes an auto and removal from society to stop the non ending verbage- so be it. While I'm gone though, the 10 mill will still not be the equal of the 41, and it will not grow, either. Place a case of each side by side- the 10 is a smaller diameter 41 'special' if anything- a special loaded from hell, but still not the equal of the larger round.

though- to steal a line from Jack O'Connor and fit it to modern times: "I doubt either round in the ribs of a badguy will do him much good."

This thread needs a post from Rusty about now...

munk
 
I shoot 10mm almost exclusively. IPSC and my fun/home guns too. Reports of its death are highly inaccurate. The benefits of 10mm is the extreme flexibility of bullet weights and power that can be had, especially if you reload. I reload 200gr lead at 850fps for my IPSC pistol (Glock 20), a real softball load. On the high side, it varies between 135gr @ 1600fps to 200 @ 1270fps for JHP from www.doubletapammo.com, a manufacturer who only loads for 10mm. Or up to 220gr hardcast @ 1125fps for hunting, or he even has a 230gr two-projectile round.

Large factory loads are very weak, thus the comparisons to 40 S&W. Only the 175gr Silvertips are near proper 10mm velocities, and I hear they are slipping a little too. You have to go to a specialized maker like Doubletap, Georgia Arms, and some others to get all the potential out of 10mm. Before I reloaded, I shot 10mm FMJ practice ammo from Georgia Arms, $190/k. That's a medium load of 180gr @ 1100 fps.

You can usually shoot 40S&W out of 10mm guns with a reasonable amount of safety, and since the other dimensions are the same except length, a drop-in barrel is easy to get if you want to shoot alot of the cheap 40S&W practice ammo.

I don't participate in the caliber wars (except I know I'm right LOL :D :p). But when I see a guy shooting 10mm, chances are he is a serious shooter. Now if I could just find a nice S&W 610, and a Bren 10, and a Colt Delta, and a Witness, and I think CZ makes a 10, and a 10mm AR15 upper, and a 1076, and...
 
No one loads the original Norma pressures, do they?

Anyway, it's strictly a handloading prop for me. I have no money that could be spent on Khuk to be wasted on factory ammo.

Claims about the virtues of the 10mm, like any other pet round, usually quote the most favorable hottest loads tested somewhere in some barrel in some lab, but may not reflect real day to day use. On a real basis, though, i still think the 10 is the best way to hve power in a carryable semi auto.

It really is a wondrful round-for the reasons mentioned= versatility. If you were mainly interested in a carry gun a smaller round might be better- the 10's are large framed.

The 40 was the solution to the FBI's standardized 10 load- it was greatly reduced. So why not put it in a smaller case and gun with more capacity?

munk
 
heeheehee! You'll be back in no time.

Colt Delta Elite 10mm was a pretty sweet model. I'm a .45 shooter by preferrence.

See Nasty's comment!

Keith
 
Doubletap's loads are within SAAMI pressures, and the velocities listed out of a stock Glock 20. A bit above Norma loads (200 @ 1200), but powders have also come a ways since 1980 too. My one "fancy race gun" is an SVI I won in a raffle. I had them build it in 10mm and it is a sweet machine. But I use only the lighter loads in it, I don't trust it to stand up to the pounding of heavier loads the way a G20 can (and I can get four replacement Glocks for the cost of one new SVI :eek: )

If anybody is looking for more 10mm info and advocacy, check out the 10mm board at glocktalk.com. It deals with 10mm fun of all types, not just Glocks.
 
What you did was safer in a Blackhawk than practically anything else. You just did a Rowland/.45 Super with less pressure (due to thinner walls in the ACP).

I recently aquired a 9x23mm from the same source that Munk will use. I anticipate it being a better cartridge for me than 10mm, but the 10 is definitely more versatile. Georgia Arms is very careful not to make overpressure ammo, and they offer a 155 grain Gold Dot 10mm @ 1375 fps- though I'm sure that's out of a 5" barrel. That's .357 level power out of an autopistol. Long live the 10mm!

John
 
I've learned a lot about the 10mm I didn't know before. Thanks all. I can see why munk is looking for one now. :cool:
 
I know where there WAS a 10mm/38-40 Blackhawk. At least where it was a week ago.

By the time munk returns the place will have closed it's doors forever. In the meantime, it's at Guns Etc., (775) 358-3006, in Sparks, NV off of Glendale and Rock. Didn't even look at the tag that I can remember.
 
lol, the good old bowie line "you could tickle a mans ribs for hours with that knife before you made him laugh."
 
fascinating....


so how many of you guys do your own reloading? (just curious)
 
Wait just a durnd minute--I thaught 40SW couldnt be shot out of a stock 10mm because of case length..I dont want my G20 to go boom when I put 40sw in the mag
 
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