OT: Nobody needs a pellet gun...

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Danny's thread about the silenced .22 reminded me of one of my faves that must be passed on. Once I wanted an expensive pellet rifle that would shoot 1/4 inch backyard groups. $200. Another gun.

Instead I started buying Aguila Super Colibri .22 ammo. Everyone already has a .22, most of us several. Your next-door neighbor won't hear this shot go off. It's a 20 gr. (pointy) bullet fired by the primer alone.

SPECS:
Bullet configuration- Conical, Solid Point Bullet Material- Lead
Bullet Weight- 20 grains (1.296 grams)
Velocity- 500 FPS (152 mps)
Energy- 11 Ft-Lb

Silent, I say. You hear the thump, whack or shatter at the same time you hear the click of the firing pin. Louder report out of a pistol...

Functions flawlessly out of a lever gun. Cans full of water are nicely split. As for rodent control, rats & house-eaters (squirrels) cease to be a concern.

I just love this ammo- always giving it away to fellow shooters- & get it online by the case. Can't run the risk of not telling forumites about it. Changes your shooting habits in a good way, esp. if you live in a city or have neighbors....


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I have some of the Colibri and it works well. Inherited a FWB124 .177 pellet rifle and it works well too.

Ice
 
AA, sounds like what my old man and his peers called, " .22 Caps." :D
 
I have a Crossman pump up pellet pistol .22 pellets that it super fun. The .22 ammo sounds neat. Of course I can shoot any caliber gun here right off my porch if I want to. the nearest neighbor is about a quarter mile up the road.
 
I have used the subsonic Remingtons and I hated them. They would penetrate pop cans and that was about it. I tried shooting a ruler with them and they wouldnt go through. Not to mention that they wont work out of a semi-auto.

I have an RWS 350 magnum and that is a sweet gun. Its super acurate and even with the .177 pellets, it can kill crows, squirrels, turtles, muskrat, catfish (yes, catfish!) and groundhogs. The only downside is that its pretty heavy.

My favorite .22 right now is my Thompson Center Classic Benchmark. I stole it off of gunbroker.com new for $320. This gun is super sweet and shoots groups at 50 yards that are at least touching and usually one hole. T/C is doing great with its .22s.
 
munk said:
Always wanted a good pellet gun.

munk
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My brother and I had them and shot them all the time growing up in Nitro.
What I remember was when we had them we shot them all the time and how much better shots they made us with real guns cause the ammo is cheap, no noise, no recoil or anything. We could shoot them in town. One of our favorite targets was the insulator on top of our utility pole. It would go "tingggg" when we hit it. Another was directly across the street there was an old cinder block garage and one side was empty and there was an old washing machine in the back of it. Standing on my parents porch you could shoot across and it the washing machine door and make noise. We used to be hell on starlings too.

We wore those out and then couple years ago my brother bought me a pistol for Christmas.
 
I've used that ammo too! Fun stuff!!!

Talk about 007 ish. Nothing but a quiet thump and then a tin can cracking in the distance!
 
CB caps are a trifle louder, but still as quiet as a pellet gun. Firing some two weeks ago, the loudest noise was smacking the steel barrel used as a backstop. At WalMart, unlike the Aguilas.

John
 
I think it stands for Subsonic Sniper. I haven't, but it features a 60 grain bullet at slightly less velocity than normal .22 LR. Penetration is seriously enhanced.
I've tried CB caps from remington out of my Taurus 94 and was seriously disappointed. It cost me a nice grouse dinner one year in deer camp.
 
Is it still legal within city limits? You said it only uses the primer, so it's not considered discharging a firearm? Where can I get some?
 
Sutcliffe said:
I think it stands for Subsonic Sniper. I haven't, but it features a 60 grain bullet at slightly less velocity than normal .22 LR. Penetration is seriously enhanced.
I've tried CB caps from remington out of my Taurus 94 and was seriously disappointed. It cost me a nice grouse dinner one year in deer camp.
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Yes. It hits considerably harder than the other subsonic offerings, but there are a few things to consider:

1. The twist rates in most barrels are a bit slow. You may or may not experience an accuracy decrease and/or keyholing. All of us noticed an increase in group sizes.
2. They drop quite a bit more than standard .22 LR. Get aquainted with that drop before you shoot at something live.
3. The supersonic "whipcrack" is gone but no one's going to mistake this for a pellet gun - there's still plenty of report.

Seems like these would be great in a suppressed lever or bolt gun with a proper twist rate.

CB caps are gallery loads - they're intended to be powerful enough to punch paper or rattle a metal target, nothing more. Not saying they won't work on game but they weren't made to do that.
 
Hollow- fill this in for me. I grew up in the Nitro area- away from the City. The first time I saw Black Humans I asked my mother in a crowded grocery store: "What are those?"

I'd forgotten you and I were Dopplegangers.

When I was young, for lunch the babysitter would cut a hen's head off and fry her up.


munk
 
I have a heckuva lot of with both pellet gun and .22.

Of the Subsonic rounds, I'm currently enjoying the Remington stuff, that 60 grain aguila stuff is awful though. Might as well use a standard velocity round.

When I was a kid I remember one of my buddies had .22 "mini-minis" we used in his area. They look just like the ones at the beginning of the thread, but I swear I remember the brass being shorter. oh well...I'll give 'em a try and see what they have on the CCI CB's.

Incidentally, I've found those to be deadly as hell on small game, better than any full power long rifle infact. Perhaps it's due to limited penetration and therefore increased energy transfer?
 
well let's see;

the ammo is cheaper than ......22, also pellet rifles have a longer "lock up" time, what that means is that since the velocity is lower it take the projectile longer to exit the barrel, this means you have to hold on target for that few extra milliseconds to hit anything. You have to be a better shooter to shoot air or shootin air will make you a better shooter. As it was explained to me a champion air gun shooter can shoot conventional , a conventional shooter will usually do poorly at air. So the point is it's great training.....

I have had several precision ( olympic quality) air guns , and they are are a
real pleasure to shoot . Targets come with the guns and each one that I have recieved a 5 shot group looks the same ragged hole. With my fienwerkbau and a scope, I have shot paint balls at 50 yards when I practiced regularly.

Traded them all for a pre-charged phuematic. An air arms 410E.
Built in silencer( yes it's legal) , 10 short magizine and it work on a 3000 psi compressed air, you charge it with a scuba tank or a special high pressure hand pump. Still trying to work it in, want to try some causual field target shooting. Had to get some droop compensated scope mounts ( dang it ) to get my trajectories into line of sight. Can shoot at 22 velocity and it whispers when it fires, it's even quiter than a piston airgun, you just hear the wack on impact.

Take a look at whats out there. way cools stuff.....


www.airgunsofarizona.com
www.straightshooters.com.
http://www.airgunningatlanta.com/index2.html -the local club

Check out the Russian and Czec guns, the 10 meter stuff is suppost as good as the fancy german or english at way less $.
 
I doubt a conventional shooter is going to do poorly on air. For one thing, good form is good form. For another, if you shoot a handgun with velocities of 800 fps or so I can't see much difference. There are also subsonic rifle rounds.
I learned to shoot on a BB gun which I suppose under this theory would be hardest of all. You had to know the drop at 40 feet, too !!!

As I said, I wish i had a good pellet gun. I have a Crossman my Old Man dug up from somewhere. It's OK, a lot of fun, but not a tack driver.


munk
 
.... Airguns are a differnet animal all together...
.... also if it's .177 and it's cycled a number
of BB's(steel) the riflings(if it''s not a smooth bore) are gone or worn at best , they usually use low grade steel for barrels because the chamber pressures are way less, never shoot bb's in a precision air gun. Crossman isn't the best , but I have had a pistol that would drive tacks. Also air pistols usually shoot at about half the velocity at 320 to 450 fps range, that is about
twice the lock up time. I can tell the difference , especially at longer ranges......give it a try, maybe that's why the crossman in not a tack driver?


I'm looking at one of the baikal pistols now, one stroke pnuematics, very cheap to shoot.......I miss my finewerkbau pistol.....
 
Bran, I believe shooting is shooting. A good shot with a 3006 is going to be a good shot with a pellet gun. I'm sure there is a slight adjustment. Edit- it is harder with the 06 or 30 calbre plus centerfire. The discipline neccesary to hold while expecting recoil is not present in air guns to nearly the same degree. In fact, the guy who can shoot a 458 might be a better shot than the guy who is only accurate with a 22 or pellet rifle. Recoil adaptation makes follow through harder. MY Crossman was in a desert garage for 10 years and cost 39 dollars new. It will hit a golf ball at 40 yards with my 48 year old eyes.
That's my opinion. (and a dime will get you...)
What you say about time in the barrel has long been known by Black powder long distance shooters.
When I was in the gun business I had chances to get fine air rifles and did not. Bummer.

Thanks for the tip on bb's in softer barrels. The rifling in the Crossman looks good. I've owned two other pellet rifles, a Sheridan Blue streak and an older wooden Crossman. I grew up on a Daisy BB gun.


munk
 
gee, a golf ball at 4o yards and it's not a tack driver,
I would say that was pretty good with any set of eyes......
 
The thing about the more powerful spring/air (like the modern, powerful, precision air guns) pellet rifles is that when you pull the trigger, it releases the powerfull spring and piston. This causes recoil before the pellet even starts moving. With these guns, you have to hold them lightly and extremely consistantly to hit the target in the same place every time. I have a nice BSA Superstar in .22. If I shoot it off of sandbags, then go to offhand, the point of impact changes dramatically. Just an interesting factoid.

Also, the recoil, is occurs in 2 directions, when the piston starts moving, and when it stops moving. This 2 phase recoil will destroy scopes that would last forever on a .308. Weird.

That's the nice thing about the PCP (pre charged pneumatic) guns. No recoil before the pellet starts moving.

Fun stuff!

Steve
 
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