OT: Old fashioned beer.

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I know that there's some beer afficinados here, as well as folks interested in the old way to do things. So I thought I'd post a few links about old fashioned brewing. Almost all beer as we know it today is only a couple of hundred years old.

Lambics: "The Lambic style can trace its roots back over 400 years, and has remained mostly unchanged from its introduction. The first written recipe is dated 1516 and accounts from 1559 mention the production of Lambic "according to an old recipe".

It's pretty likely that's what these dutch peasants depicted in the early 17th century are drinking.

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These are the "sourdough" of beers--innoculated by indigenous yeast from the air and microbes in the brewery. Produced only in the Senne valley near Brussels, Belgium. A couple of other areas in Flanders produce similar products. Very laborious to make, and quite expensive. They require two to three years to make, and cellar well for years. Sadly, the traditionally complex sour taste is being "dumbed-down" by some (especially large) producers in order to attract more consumers and enable mass production. Some non-traditional products are to me disgustingly sweet. Not common, but some good ones can be found in the US

Typically bottled in champagne bottles--indeed shortly after the development of the method, it was applied to this type of beer. Still versions out of casks are available, but you pretty much have to go to Belgium to find them. Maybe someday.

No new khuks for a while--I spent my lunch money on a few amazing brews from Cantillon Brewery that my nearby bottle shop happened to get in.

A good introduction and some very nice pics of old fashioned brewing--no stainless steel towers or carefully cultivated yeast cultures here !!

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pvosta/pcrbier1.htm


These two old brews are described as very lightly carbonated or still--similar to cask conditioned english ales. They are not stored and drunk as soon as they are ready. Proper corks and bottles capable of holding a fully carbonated beverage didn't arise until the introduction of champagne, I think. If you'll want to try either, need to visit somebody's brewery or have a go at it yourself. They are about as old fashoned as you can get. They cheat a bit and add bread yeast. I imagine that in the old days, they let it start from wild yeast or maybe added some rising bread dough.

Sahti: "Sahti is a rustic Finnish beerstyle that has been brewed probably since 9th-10th century."

Extensive site--
http://www.posbeer.org/oppaat/sahti/

Koduolu: Estonian brew similar to Finnish sahti.
Great photos of brewing process in wooden containers.

http://www.pcuf.fi/~jarmala/ekoduolu.html

Of course, there's similar things made from other fermentables like corn, agave, palm sap...but to me, it has to made from malted barley to really be called beer.
 
Kis
(Oops, sorry Firkin, I was reading one of Kismet's posts right before I responded to this one),

when I was stationed over in Belgium, I made a point to go visit the Trappiste monks. In addition to beer they make some incredible breads and cheeses. Went to where Orval is brewed, and Duvel, but the jewel in the crown for me was the Abbey of Our Lady of Scourmont where the elixir known as Chimay is brewed. Let me tell you I knocked back quite a few "Combat Bottles" (named by us GIs for their size and shape conducive to bar fights) of Chimay Bleu during the year I spent working with nuclear cruise missles over there. Great beer and great people, the Walloons in southern Belgium are some of the nicest, friendliest, folks I've ever had the pleasure to encounter. They treated strangers like friends, and friends like family, maybe it's the beer.

Sarge
 
Most of the Trappist stuff I've had is outstanding too, and some of it can develop flavors reminicscent of the "wild" lambics. There's only six or seven real Trappist breweries running now. "Abbey" means brewed by contract, and can be just as good, but some is made by big mass-production breweries. Try to taste a genuine traditional gueuze or lambic and your mouth won't know what happened--sour, yes, but so GOOD.

The whole country seems to be Disneyland for beer drinkers. Hope they can keep the old fashioned methods going.
 
Firkin, thanks for the links! I've just recently discovered Belgian beers and I really enjoy them. The North Coast Brewery here in Kalifornicate brews a Lambic that is called Pranqster. It is a smaller brewery but I don't know if their methods are traditional. I do know that it tastes GOOD and that 7+% will sneak up on you!

Drink Up!:p
 
stevo,

I've tried some tof the products from North Coast, and they are good, and fairly priced as well. I had some fine Ruedrich's Red Ale this evening. But Pranqster, while an very good example of a Belgian-style beer, is NOT by any stretch of the imagination, in the lambic style. Many Belgian brews harbor a few bugs unique to the brewery, and most tend to use yeasts that add considerable character to the final product.

Genuine lambic is a whole 'nuther beast all together. And I'm not dissing Pranqster, it is a very good effort, but it really is more like a fairly low alcohol trippel, or maybe a Saison style. One can't really duplicate the microflora of a hundred-year old brewery by tossing in a few cultures, but they did a pretty good job. Using different microbes in the same brewery without cross contaminating things is tough and they manage it. But in the traditional lambic breweries, the bugs live everywhere, and the brewers know it. One study found 83 different organisms living in the beer at one time or another!! They build new roofs over old, instead of replacing for fear of losing some critters that make the beer good. The wooden casks breathe them in and out.


Be warned they are not to every one's taste--the first few sips are like drinking vinegar. Then once one is accustomed to the sourness, the magic happens. If any one wants to try this kind of ancient beer, I recommend anything from Cantillon Brewery. Frank Boone's products are good also, though the fruit beers are a little sweeter, but still traditional. Drie Fonteinen and Hansons' are supposed to be good. For related styles , Rodenbach and Liefmann are fairly available examples of sour beers from Flanders (lambics come from Brussels area). Sadly, the most common example of this type of beer available are the fruit beers that are mass produced by Lindemans. They employ fruit concentrates, instead of whole fruits with pits and skins and the result is to me sickenly sweet and lacks complexity. They do make something called Renee Cuvee Geuze, which is pretty much the real thing, but scarce. Also Chapeau's offerings are too sweet, and suffer from mass production. They have converted a complex artisianal product into sweet alcoholic glop suitable for seducing sorority girls--pretty sad. Sort of like how crappy American beer spawned Zima, but so much more of a travesty.

Be warned, soemething that takes two or three years to produce in a tiny brewery ain't cheap. This stuff starts at likely over $10-15 dollars for a 750 ml bottle for even the poor examples. But you get to drink history if you get one made the old way. It is amazing what has happened to the drink of peasants. Hell, decent bread and cheese are now hoity-toity luxury items.
 
I spent 6 years in Germany, and any off time I got I went exploring. I think I've been to the same places as Sarge. I also visited every Abby and Monastary that I came across. IMHO the best beers in the world are made in those places. The Monastary in Wildflecken, Germany is the one I remember best. (Maybe 'cause I spent lots of time there:D ) Most people in the US would probably not like most European brews. Not sweet enough for them. But then I also love Guiness.

Bill
 
Sarge, I have to agree with you. I've been lucky enough to have been able to travel to Europe several times during the 90's. Some of the finest, if not the finest beer, is in Belgium. Beer to them is like wine to the French. They take great pride in it. I didn't realize there were so many different kinds, though. Made keeping track kind of hard. I tried my best. If you go to a small town or village and try the local beer, tell them it's the best you've tasted so far. They will be very appreciative and chances are the next pitcher is on the house. :D We came across a very good Chezch beer called Budvar. Story is that it is the original recipe from which Budweiser is made. Doesn't taste anywhere near the same.

One of our teachers is teaching in England on a Fulbright Exchange...Melton-Mowbury (I think) in the middle of Sherwood Forest. He called the other day to tell me that he's located khuks for me in all the local shops in town...then he told me the prices.:eek: He went on at length to describe how much he was enjoying the hospitality of the pubs and how much he likes the different beers and ales. No more Coors Light for him, you think?

Seabee, I discovered one of my favorite beers in Munich...Heefe Weisse. I know the spelling is wrong, but it is a beer made from wheat. Full bodied and dark amber, almost orange in color. Yummy.
 
Ben, Deja Vu. I am drinking a Paulaner Hefe-Weizen right now. And I bet your friend will never go back to regular American beer.

Bill
 
Bill, now I've got a real craving. Alas, no beer. Had enough Friday night at Oktoberfest...I had Paulaner also. The band was excellent. My wife and I had a great time.

I know you're right about the teacher not going back to regular American beer.:D Everyone I've gone to Europe with misses the beer and the bread. Me? I also miss the pasteries.;)
 
:D Mmmmm, Paulaner is yummie! If any of you live near San Francisco or are visiting there, I recommend a visit to the Suppenkuche in the Hayes Valley area. Food will have you loosening your lederhosen buttons in no time at all, and they have something like 20 German beers on tap. My mom immigrated from Germany, so I go there when I need "soul" food and drink. You can find themHERE
 
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