OT Peppermills For God Sakes

I'm the one whose wife had to tell her mom about the Ginger jar in the kitchen ( she obviously had no idea what an "ornament" was doing in the kitchen ).

Wife " Momma, that's a ginger jar ". MIL " Yes dear, I know what it is. " Wife " There's ginger in it ".

As Uncle Bill is wont to say, " What has this to do with khukuris? Everything! "

I think his explanation for the aforementioned saying is somewhere on the HI website.

Anyway, why am I not surprized to find a thread concerning peppermills?
 
Machete, if you want marble ones, there are bucnhes if you search online, but ones that looked like they're probalby best in my quick search(limited myself to one page of Yahoo results) were ones from the Vermont Marble Museum at http://www.vermont-marble.com Click Gift Shop, then go up to online store, and choose Table and Wedding.

Love the look of a good marble or piece of Onyx.

For those who want wood, but want something ab it nicer looking, try http://www.pepper-passion.com Make them in a variety of exotics. Some really good information on the different varieties of peppercorn there too(for instance, learned that white, black, green and red peppercorn are all same plant, and same fruit, jsut picked at different times and/or treated different ways)
 
I must be out of the loop on this one. I get my pepper mills at Winn-Dixie. Description says hardwood, looks like natural maple tho I'm sure it's not. Blades look to be high carbon probably not stainless. Shaped like a large pawn. You know the chess piece. It's adjustable fine to course. Head turns to grind, pepper comes out the bottom. I keep three in use & one for back up. I 'm a twofer kind of guy, anger management ya know. I use one for white, one for black & one for datil pepper. They run me about $8 a piece & been using them 2 going on 3 years. I've had no problems & love using them.BTW they're made in China. Not stamped Norinco but definitely ChiCom.
 
I've found peppermills made by William Bounds Ltd. of Torrace Calif. to be very durable and user friendly. The one in my mother's home has been in continuous use for at least 20 years and probably grinds 3 lbs of pepper a year. I've had one for six years now and love it. The crank handle model can produce a lot of ground pepper fast if you need it. Plus it gives you a choice of grinds (Coarse, Medium & Fine). They're made of a very durable plastic (Lexan?) with a stainless steel grinding mechanism and heavily plated top. Guaranteed for life. Priced $21 to $50.
These are kind of hard to find. Upscale kitchen shops are about the only places that carry them now. Online try [williamboundsltd.com] or [peppermilsandmore.com] Beware of look-alikes. The genuine article has the legend "Made on the Third Planet From the Sun" stamped on the top.
 
just lay out some pepper corns on the table and smash them with the flat of the blade of your AK bowie.
Voila.
 
Marble, being a very absorbent stone, will probably suck up grease and oil worse than most natural materials. If I wanted natural I would buy wood over marble any day, weight factor and breakability being other good reasons not too. We have a wooden and a plastic peppermill, both are adequate although the plastic seems to be the better mill of the two. We got the set at Sam's Club. Neither are what I would consider top of the line products though.
I keep eyeing Emiril Lagasse's huge wooden mill he brings out for shock factor occasionally.:D
 
I have a pair of wooden ones (no jokes from the peanut galllery!).
I got them at Fortunoff's for $25. Why a pair? I accidentally bought a pound of COARSE kosher sea salt, which almost looks like rock salt. So I needed to grind it, too...
They are simply made, can grind coarse-med-fine and have a stainless blade and crank. They have a nice heft to them and haven't failed me yet.
They are short (6" tall) and there is a thick plastic part on the bottom, apparently so you can see the amount left without taking off the lid.
The brand is William Bounds Original. Not top of the line, but good and sturdy!
Good luck and salut.
 
greek brass spice mills are what the "frugal gormet" uses:
http://www.natashascafe.com/html/mills.html


http://www.pugsly.com/Mills.htm

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You know, having you guys around is like having friends who've done next to everything and will show you how. I tell my wife frequently when we have a question I'll take it to the forum. Thanks so much for the help! Man, I can almost taste the fresh ground pepper.



munk
 
munk said:
You know, having you guys around is like having friends who've done next to everything and will show you how. I tell my wife frequently when we have a question I'll take it to the forum. Thanks so much for the help! Man, I can almost taste the fresh ground pepper.



munk

You're right.....I find out a plethora of interesting stuff here that has nothing to do with knives. What does it have to do with HI forum? Easy..........friends. :D
 
Ichor- the link that Roger Smith supplied is the top rated peppermill, the one that looks like a Maglite Flashlight. But I can't get past the plastic.

Peugeot makes a great mill- and the Verona box modle with hand crank I like. Unfortunately, it is done rather pretentiously in my opinion, looking a little like a table utensil used by Louis X1V It has a silly emblem on it . It also cost 70 bucks.

munk
 
munk said:
Ichor- the link that Roger Smith supplied is the top rated peppermill, the one that looks like a Maglite Flashlight. But I can't get past the plastic.



munk

There was a time that I felt that way. Over the last few years, I have owned so many quality items, of countless types, made of "plastic" , that are first rate and perform like no other material could. Now, tho' I have remnants of the old plastic bias, I try not to let the fact that something is "plastic" affect my decisions. I'm 58 years old and there are plastics and there are "plastics". Some are phenomenal! This is not your father's little plastic cars. :D
 
hehe, except now the plastic cars are on the road.
I too have a certain bias against plastic, give me some heavy metal or wood and I'll be happy. But there is no denying that there is quality plastic crap out there.
Back on topic, for as long as I can remember my aunt has had a wood pepper grinder at the table, they might not be able to last as long as a plastic one, but they sure do look nice.
Another thing about wood, at least for a while, wouldn't the wood or plastic leave some flavor in the peppercorns during storage?
 
I don't know about smelling plastic- the new polymers don't have the 'fresh baked' odor of a 1969 Frisbee. Seems like today's gun stocks don't have much odor, or if they do, it is soon abated.

Wood is 'warmer' to me. We are here in a community celebrating old technology- hand forged steel and natural handle materials. So it's not suprising many of us prefer wood.

Plastic is fine by me. But I want a wood peppermill, and a box type preferrably.


munk
 
Josh Feltman said:
made me think of the classic story ....."Why The Sea Is Salt"
Which title reminds me of a poem I recall for high school.
A once upon a time favorite.

"The stars, I have seen them fall,
But when they drop and die
No star is lost at all
From all the star-sown sky.

The toil of all that be
Helps not the primal fault:
It rains into the sea
And still the sea is salt."
---A.E. Housman
 
Haven't been here for a while, but I'm back.

1) there are two ways to grind things like peppercorns and coffee:

a) crush them, either between textured metal plates--or grindstones (or sometimes nowadays, between hard plasitic plates in disposable, prefilled containers that also grind.
b) expose them to a rapidly whirling metal blade such similar to that found in a blender, which lis often found in the little, reasonably-priced electric coffee grinders.

2) if ground pepper is desired, as opposed to crushed (breaking the peppercorn into 3-5 pieces) then wood grinding/crushing surfaces won't last long.

3)the classic wooden grinders are a hollow wooden tube with a metal grinding mechanism on the bottom, the rest is for storage or looks. So excusing the disposables with plastic textured grinding surfaces, the issue between wood, metal or plastic cylinder is one of storage of undground peppercorns. For maximum longevity, the grinder does not provide an ideal storage site anyway. Plastic or soft metal grinding surfaces will abrade, and contamiminate the ground product. Unless you run a large restuarant, you probablay don't want to store all your pepper in a giant mill of any kind.

4) Expensive mills provide either/and precise control of particle size and distribution, impressive looks. With the spinning blade grinders, some large bits always seem to remain, but the rest of us can always sieve out big chunks with a cheap tea-strainer from the Dollar Store if desired.

5) Whole items always store longer, especially when kept in containers like small canning jars.

I have found that a wooden-cased grinder that I bought for maybe $30 bucks along with a matching salt shaker works fine for me. (I looks like the set that my parents have had for 40 years) There is a threaded knob on the top that adjusts the fineness of the grind. It sets the upper size of the particles produced, but lots of finer ones come out too. I don't see this a big problem for most uses.

I grind coffee and less used spices in the little electric coffee grinders with the rotary blades. I have set aside an old one for spices, and use a newer one for coffee. It is possible to clean the spice one easily by grinding a bit of rice or small dry lentils between different spices. Some spices (especially coriander seed) don't get friable enough for grinding unless gently toasted on a dry skillet--which intensifies flavor anyway. I use enough pepper that I bought the hand mill for it.

There are many methods of preparing coffee, and the particle size distrubution can be quite important for some. Those who spend lots of money on expresso makers often seem to find it neccesary to spend a lot on a grinder that allows great control of particle size and distribution. They look down upon the spinning blade devices because of the non-ulniformity of particle size.
But one usually isn/t trying to perform a controlled liquid extraction of pepper corns.

I myself can't justify that expense for grinding coffee beans, let alone pepper.

The frugal gourmet dude used a Middle Eastern coffee grinder, which is actually a traditional coffee grinder intended to produce a quite fine powder suitable for the traditional Middle Eastern method of brewing coffee.

If you just want some ground pepper, look for a grinder with sturdy reasonably-machined metal mechanical parts. I would avoid brass grinding surfaces. Don't keep it filled to the top with peppercorns since there are better storage options. If it has a plastic container that doesn't smell like plastic, it is probably OK, how long it will last, keep aligned, or look nice may be an issue though. There is plastic, and there is plastic. Remeber that the cylintrical shell usually is part of the plate spacing system.

Black pepper is a small berry with a thin dried fruit surrounding a large hard seed. White pepper is the seed dried after removal of the fruit. White pepper's taste is less complex, but preferred for some applications, especially those where the dark color of black pepper is considered detrimental to appearance, like white sauces.

Save the big bucks for guns and khuks, unless you are extremely concerned about uniform particle size distribution or a saucier in a froo-froo chef's kitchen.

My two cents and worth what you've paid.
 
Firkin, you are the spice master! (Which is probably better than being a spice girl :p )

How do you know so much about spices and cooking? Hobby or profession?
--Josh
 
firkin said:
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Save the big bucks for guns and khuks, unless you are extremely concerned about uniform particle size distribution or a saucier in a froo-froo chef's kitchen.

My two cents and worth what you've paid.

I tend to agree with firkin. Over several decades I have tried MANY peppermills. The last decade I have compared notes with my daughter, a high zoot, not quite elitist pro chef in Napa Valley (where we both were born and raised).

In general, I have owned cheapo, ugly mills that worked beautifully for a long time. And mucho expensive, gorgeous mills that weren't worth a sh*t. And vice/versa. I've tried to figure out what makes one work better than the other (and that's all I care about these days. The days of super fun, super cool dinner parties are over. I just want something to do a good job of grinding my fresh pepper, dammit)., with negative results. I don't think the people who make these things put a lot of science into it either. I think that sometimes it just all comes together and......sometimes it doesn't. :p
 
Sara, on Sara's Secrets on the Food Channel, says that the little coffee grinders are great for grinding spices, just have one dedicated for coffee and the other for spices.
That's the way we're going next time I think. Whole spices keep their oils better. I've never enjoyed nutmeg as much as I have since we got whole nutmegs and the little scraper. It's surprising the things that nutmeg is good in.:D
 
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