OT: Really well written article by mrostov on weapons backpacking.

Oh, no. Not another dayumud Bear thread :yawn: Thanks, munk :mad: Can't we all agree that zombies are the real problem, and leave the poor bears alone? And the same goes for mountain kitties. :rolleyes:
 
I though the author helped the reader better clarify the real need for having some type of weapon while being out in the boonies. But...80 rounds of 230gr. ball seems a bit much to hump in my opinion just on the risk of meeting-up with feral dogs, feral humans or a range bull. If the "balloon goes up" while you are out backpacking, then all bets are off anyway.

I'd probably feel pretty well protected with a Centennial Airweight and 15 rounds of ammo. Or, maybe a G19 and two spare mags of ammo. JMHO.

Jeff
 
Great stuff! Really good, and it was communicated very well.

You said that you use a thigh or leg-drop holster, correct? If so, how do you keep it concealed from the yuppie companions of whom you speak? Just curious, because many backpackers, especially on more heavily-used trails, are likely to freak out the minute they see a gun.

Thanks.

Nam
 
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.22 Long Rifle over 20 gauge. I've got one and I like it a lot.
 
very nice!

That appears less clunky than what I have seen from Savage lately.

Remington is supposedly importing some Russian made o/u guns. I hope they bring in the combos too. EAA was importng some 22lr over 20 ga hammerless guns from Russia. You could get centerfire over 12ga too. Or even double rifles.

Tom
 
yeah, but they only want you to fire SAAMI compliant loads in there....oh well- I think SAAMI compliant may be a 300 gr at a little less than 1800 fps.

That'll get the bad guys attention, and you wont need 78 more shots, neither.

munk
 
gravertom said:
very nice!

That appears less clunky than what I have seen from Savage lately.

Remington is supposedly importing some Russian made o/u guns. I hope they bring in the combos too. EAA was importng some 22lr over 20 ga hammerless guns from Russia. You could get centerfire over 12ga too. Or even double rifles.

Tom


I think that's the same stuff that was sold as Baikal in Canada a few years ago. If so, I'll take the Savage anyday.

It would be great if Savage reproduced the 24C with the tang lever and a better trigger. Make it in .17 HMR and 20 gauge, and put a good scout scope mount on it, or better yet fit a factory ghost ring peep sight. 18" barrel, all stainless with synthetic stock same shape as in pic above to conserve weight. They would sell a billion of them.
 
Mrostov,

Enjoyed your article tremendously. Used to backpack a lot, and hope to do it again someday. Only animal dangers I worried about in the areas I backpacked(Western U.S.) was the two-legged kind. Would sometimes carry a lightweight .38, but your articles have gotten me to think about other dangers and options.

Also, never carried a big knife before, but now that I have gotten into khuks and bowies will definitely carry one of those. Weight is always an issue.

Would like to hear your, and others, opinions about backpacking in Canada and Alaska. Of course in Canada, handguns cannot be legally brought in and guns in general are restricted. In Alaska, I would worry about brown bears.
 
Haven't had much time, so wasn't able to read all the article, but I mostly agree with what I read.

The last time I went 'packing outside the service, I carried a Glock 23 (.40) and felt adequately prepared for black bear, wild dogs, or feral humans.

Good article, thanks.

John
 
namaarie - I normally don't backpack with those I have to hide the hardware from. When you have several people around you have improved security anyway. In such cases I keep the pistol in my pack, but I can generally get to it relatively rapidly if I need to. Often you are the most vulnerable at night when are trying to sleep, so if you are in a tent, having the pistol out and ready is no problem.

Here in Arizona, openly and visibly carrying a loaded firearm either in your car or on your person, even in the city, is legal without any permits. You only need to have a permit if it is concealed on your person (stowed in a backpack doesn't count) and you need a Federal tax stamp for the weapon if it is an NFA weapon (sawed off shotgun, silencer, full auto machinegun, pistol bigger than .50cal, etc).

Devo 55 - I normally tend to pack a bit heavier on the ammo than some people would. It's what I feel comfortable carrying. I'd rather have too much ammo than too little. I guess that's the incurable survivalist in me. Some people would be OK for a simple backpacking trip with a revolver and 25 rounds of ammo. It's all a personal choice and a matter of how much you can comfortably carry.

hdwrlover - you mentioned Canada. Canada is a bit restrictive on handguns especially and on paramilitary style semi-autos.

Here's a quote from the Canadian gun regs:
Non-restricted firearms include:

semi-automatic rifles and shotguns that have barrels that are at least 470 mm (approx. 18.33 inches) long, and do not otherwise fall into a restricted or prohibited category;

and

single shot or manual repeating rifles and shotguns of any length, as long as they are not designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm (approx. 25.74 inches) by folding, telescoping, or other means.

If all I could carry were a rifle, I'd probably pack either a .30-30 Winchester M94 'Trapper' or a .30-30 Marlin 336Y 'Spikehorn'. The Winchester has a 16" barrel and the Marlin has a 16.5" barrel and both are about the handiest little rifles you'll ever carry.

When I first picked up the Trapper I liked it like few other rifles I've ever carried, and it proved itself to be exceptionally handy to tote around. Even out of a 16" barrel, the .30-30 is a decently potent round, generally outclassing almost any handgun and packing more punch than an AK-47 or an SKS.

As much as I like the Trapper, I like Marlins more than Winchesters. The Marlin 336 series is stronger, easier to clean, and better adapted to using a scope than the Winchester Model 94 rifles. At 6.5 lbs the 'Spikehorn' is 1/2 lb heavier than the Winchester Trapper. They both carry 5 rounds in their magazine.

A .30-30 will kill just about any critter in N. America that needs killing. Most hunting kills in N. America are at 180m (200 yards) or less, and this is well within the effective range of the .30-30 cartridge.

IMHO, I'd take the Marlin 336Y and fit it with receiver ghost ring sights, put on a forward 'scout' style scope, and maybe install a synthetic stock. All of these parts are available for the Marlin as aftermarket, user installable components.

You can get .30-30 ammo at virtually any wide spot in the road almost anywhere in N. America. If you handload, you might want to take a tip from Bradford Angier for small game hunting with a centerfire rifle and load up a few extra rounds with some light 110gr .30cal bullets with a small powder charge. Angier said that when living off of the land in the Canadian wilderness he preferred carrying a few rounds of such ammo for his .30-06 bolt action to packing an extra weapon that fired .22LR.

You can also get a subcaliber adapter which is basically a cartridge that comes apart which holds a smaller round in it. For the .30-30 you can get subcaliber adapters which allow you to fire 32 Short Colt, 32 Long, 32 H&R, and 32 ACP. You can also get .30cal sabots allowing you to fire .224" varmit bullets at velocities faster than a .223Rem (of course, in a lever action you single load and fire .30-30 cartridges with pointed tip bullets with one in the chamber and one in the mag at most).

A setup something like this:
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/template...ch-results1.jsp
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Mrostov,

Thanks for your reply. So you would go with a 30-30 instead of the 45-70 in the lever? I was leaning towards an ultra light bolt action in 30/06 or .308.
 
fwiw: I have a 45/70 lever, a 45 colt, and a 38/55. The 45/70 was my first. I admire the 30/30 but my thoughts went along the lines of wanting more punch, particularly as long as I was going to be in the limited distance range of lever action rifles. With the 45/70 you can defend from a bear or ZOMBIE charge, and it will take larger game more reliably than the 30/30 In factory loads it is mild to shoot- a lot of fun, really. If you have a Marlin you can load it up beyond SAAMI

I realize the 30/30 is real nice too.

munk
 
Great read, Mike. Thanks.

I have a Charter Arms AR-7 that has made many trips just because it's so easy to have around. Weighs next to nothing, waterproof- never tried to float it. Utterly reliable with Ram-Line 25 round banana clip, jams without fail with stock 8 rounders.

Would hate to have to assemble it under pressure, though. I'd wind up beating the bear with the barrel as I am being eaten. :( :footinmou


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