OT: Rifles, An inquiry and a response from a pro...

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After messing with the SKS, I wrote to a friend whose knowledge is encyclopedic about...well, lots of stuff. Here is the transcript.

Does anyone have additional information about a bolt action or single-shot 7.62x39?

(I suspect I already have what I need in the small ring mauser in 7.62 NATO, but...maybe someday I'll buy a lottery ticket, and on that day, maybe I'll win, and after I change my name and move so the kids can't find me, I'll get something like this. :) )

Kismet writes:
I'm really liking the 7.62x39 cartridge. Does anyone make a single
shot (that doesn't look like the stock was hewn out of a skid 2x4?)


Not to my knowledge - - The closest thing to what I think you're
seeking is(or mebbe would have been-)a bolt-action sporter
in the caliber, in re:

For years, Finnish firm Sako made three different-size Mauser
derivative actions - the standard(full) size was for .30-06-size,
was factory-termed the L-61, an marketed as the 'Finnibear' here;
The middle(.243 etc)was called the Forester, fergit the number;
And their cuteashell baby mauser was the Vixen, or L-461.
the Vixen action was most common here in .222 and .223(I used
to have a lovely classic sporter in .222...),
BUT! Sakos were also sold locally in Finland.
Which country wasn't in the Warsaw Bloc, but they _did_ adopt
the 7.62x39, making their own curious version of the AK.
Finnish civilians wanted to use the round also, und zo
Sako made cute little sporters on the Vixen for said round.
Such would be the Cadillac of pieces in the caliber...

...that being overly said, very few 7.62 Vixens made it here.

Interarms imported a Yugoslavian-made Mauser action(plus
whole rifles) called the Mark X(I still have a .30-06 on one).
For awhile there, they brought in a baby version called
the 'Mini-Mark X', mainly for .222/3. Given their country
of origin et al, I wouldn't drop dead of shock to learn that
some of these were tailored for 7.62x39...

...and, last-and-probably-least, a run of rifles were brought in from
mainland China, which apparently were captured Japanese
pieces - Arisaka bolt guns made for their kinda-short 6.5mm round.
The Chinese apparently converted a slew of them to, you guessed
it, 7.62x39. These were brought in in fits and starts 12 or 15 years
back. At the time they were dirt cheap, $70-75 or so, but - -
- - two folks I talked to and one I read in some mag had problems
with some crudely-installed chamber insert coming out.
I haven't heard anything on these for some time...

...I know that none of this is very helpful, but it seem that,
in this country, those who really like the little round like it
mainly for its AK and SKS platforms...

...a 'smith who knew what he was doing could build one
on several bolt and break-open or falling block actions,
but such would be beyond your excheuqer, I fear.


Be well and safe.

(My friend is kinda spooky in the depth of his knowledge, eh?)
 
Kismet, CZ offers a mini bolt action (527?) and Charles Daly imports the Mark X now calling "Superior" or something of that nature, in a "mini-Mauser" format. Both guns are available in 7.62x39mm; I have seen reviews on the CZ that were VERY favorable (do a Google for forums +CZ +review)~ the only thing that I've seen about the Charles Daly rifle was a custom job that gun writer Rick Jamison had rebarreled to 6.5 Grendel (basically a necked down, blown out 7.62x39).

I am still searching for that dang Svea :( :mad: Thanks for your patience :)
 
Ruger also produces a fine little bolt action in 7.62 SKS cal (I hate to call it Russian). I saw a very nice example in SS with a synthetic stock.

Rene
 
the Rugers not a bad choice- As I recall it even has controlled round feed, as opposed to push feed.


Never had one of the CZ's, but I'm really wanting one after all the rave reviews I'm seeing on them.

That's a kinda odd one thinking about single shots in that caliber though. Doesn't Thompson Center make a barrel for that cartridge? Maybe for the Encore? Or am I misremembering again? :confused:
 
Paco Kelly's always struck me as a good guy- definitely gave a polite and kind answer to a question I asked him years ago- and here's what he had to say about the 527 (one of several firearms I've been planning for years to get around to getting).

'Course, one in 6.5x39mm would be the absolute BOMB.

John
 
you know a slang expression has reached it's end when its used with the lizard selling insurance on TV. Can someone tell me where, 'da bomb' came from?


munk
 
Dunno- but when you're talking about a very short round w/ light recoil that hits at long range (you ever hear a long football pass described as a bomb?) with more power than a .308, I think it applies. :)

John
 
munk?

da bomb comes from de plane. duh. :p




Thanks folks. Costs are more than I would spend, but the CZ is very appealing. I appreciate your sharing your knowledge.





Be well and safe.
 
I have the Ruger M77 Mk II in this chambering. Let me know if you have questions. It was a limited run for Davidson's (distributors) I believe. I have a "magic" load for mine. IMI brass, AA 1680 powder, Sierra 135gr. SSP bullet and 2400 fps muzzle. Groups about an inch at 100 yds. Took a Michigan whitetail for me several years ago very cleanly. A fat groundhog too at about 200 yds.

I installed an aftermarket trigger for a clean crisp release. This model had a few problems....the firing pin wouldn't always fire some primers. Ruger acknowledged this to me. Don't know if the problem stemmed from very hard military primers (on mil-spec ammo), or just a weak firing pin spring.

I like mine, but it seems like a handloading proposition to get best accuracy and reliability. YMMV.

Jeff
 
DeathDancer said:
...7.62 SKS cal (I hate to call it Russian).

Just ut of curiosity, why is that so ? Russians developed the cartridge, it was a Russian who designed SKS (and AK ... and RPD ...) that first used this cartridge, it was Russians that sold/gave the design to other former Eastern block and non-aligned countries - what's wrong with calling it "Russian": ? :confused:
 
7.62 Russian often confuses people, as it's also used to refer to 7.62x54R/7.62x53R(some people even thin ktaht's what the R stands for, though it's actually for Rimmed), which is the larger caliber fired by Mosin Nagants, SVT-38/40's and several larger weapons.

Personally, with all the various calibers in the 7.62 desgination, I prefer to use their full metric or american designations. 7.62x39, 7.62x51/.308 Winchester, 7.62x54R/7.62x53R(varies by country, same round), 7.62 nagant(contrary to what you migth think, this is not for Mosin Nagants, but is a pistol caliber cartridge for the nagant revolver), etc. There are others too.


As a side note, think you'd be happy with any of the mentioned bolt actions in 7.62. They're all great guns,a nd which gun fits a particular person best always varies by the shooter and intended to use. I'd personally look at the CZ to start though, as I've always been extremely impressed with their weapons(and the knockoffs, such as the EAA WItness), both handguns and rifles.
 
Kismet,

If I understand what you are looking for correctly, what you want may not exist, but I believe the easy to assemble components do.

The key is a chamber insert that will convert a .308 to a 7.62x39

here is a link-

http://www.mcace.com/

Next, a single shot rifle. New England Firearms makes a break open single shot rifle.

http://www.hr1871.com/firearms/index.php?cat=4&subcat=6#18

You could also have a chamber insert made to convert a 30/06 to 7.62x39 if you can't find a .308.

In addition, you could acquire a military surplus rifle in either if those two calibers, and have the insert put in one of those. It may not function well as a repeater, but you would have a nice handy rifle in 7.62x39 for not much money.

Hope this helps some. :)

Take care,

Tom
 
Exchequer?

retired hockey player?

someone who has bounced too many cheques?

retired cashier?



:D


Tom
 
Kismet said:
...a 'smith who knew what he was doing could build one
on several bolt and break-open or falling block actions,
but such would be beyond your excheuqer, I fear.
Bottom entry seems to be apt.

4 entries found for exchequer.

ex·cheq·uer ([font=verdana, sans-serif] P [/font]) Pronunciation Key (
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n.
  1. Exchequer The British governmental department charged with the collection and management of the national revenue.
  2. Exchequer In Great Britain, the Court of Exchequer.
  3. A treasury, as of a nation or an organization.
  4. Financial resources; funds.
[Alteration of Middle English escheker, from Old French eschequier, counting table, chessboard, from eschec, check. See check.]
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Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
Main Entry: ex·che·quer
Pronunciation: 'eks-"che-k&r, iks-'che-
Function: noun
Etymology: Anglo-French eschecker eschequ(i)er, from Old French eschequier royal treasury, reckoning board or cloth marked with squares, literally, chessboard, from eschec chess
1 cap : a royal office in medieval England at first responsible for the collection and management of the royal revenue and later for the adjudication of revenue cases
2 cap : a former superior court having law and equity jurisdiction in England and Wales over primarily revenue cases and now merged with the Queen's Bench Division of the High Court of Justice called also Court of the Exchequer
NOTE: The Exchequer was created in England by the Norman kings. In addition to being divided into a court of common law and a court of equity, at one point the Exchequer also had jurisdiction over all actions, except those involving real property, between two subjects of the Crown. In 1841, the Exchequer's equity jurisdiction, except over revenue cases, was transferred to the Court of Chancery, and in 1881 the Exchequer was merged into the Queen's Bench Division of the High Court of Justice.
3 often cap : the office in Great Britain and Northern Ireland responsible for the collection and care of the national revenue


Source: Merriam-Webster Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.
exchequer

n : the funds of a government or institution or individual [syn: treasury]


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