OT: Rifles, An inquiry and a response from a pro...

Thank you, Folks....

Tom? this might work, turning my small ring mauser 7.62x51 Nato into (at least a single shot) 7.62x39, don't you think?

Be neat if I could feed the smaller rounds via the bolt. Any ideas?

Be well and safe.



How about using the 7.62x39 in the 308 or 30-06?
Or the 308 in the 30-06?

As gun writer Roy Huntington said: "Duh...this was so obvious and simple."

Now you can turn your 308 or 30-06 into a 7.62x39 and take advantage of inexpensive ammo!

Simply coat the the outside of the adapter with non permanent Locktite™, place a fired 7.62x39 case inside the chamber and close the bolt. After 10-12 hours, eject the 7.62x39 case and you are ready to start shooting. Inexpensive Russian ammo costs 25-50% less than any regular 308 or 30-06. A broken shell extractor will remove the adapter and return the gun to it's original caliber. If you are careful, the adapter is reusable!

Also available in 308/30-06. Each kit includes one tube of Locktite™.

Complete kit: only $25.00. Broken shell extractors: $10.00
 
Please correct if I'm wrong. I believe the 7.62x39 fires a .311 bullet while the 30-06 and 308 fires a .308 bullet. Wouldn't this cause high pressure or inaccuracy?

Ice
 
Hey Ice?

Yep. Seems so. I asked on The High Road and got mostly concise, courteous answers.

Apparently the vendor doesn't see a problem, but for just screwing around, the risk isn't worth it to me.

Thanks for the help.




Be well and safe.
 
well, I would have a different opinion on the pressure question, but I don't even play an expert on TV.

here is an article on the 1916 Sp mauser with the insert.

http://www.surplusrifle.com/reviews/tigerloudhousecat/index.asp

Some folks have had success feeding rounds through the mag, others have not. There were some ideas posted on the message board related to the site i took the article from, but that has been some months ago.

Another option might be to get a pre chambered barrel from brownells,(if they offer one is this caliber, I'll have to check), and get a finishing reamer, and just rebarrel the thing.

Anyway, it has been a fun topic to discuss!

take care,

Tom
 
Correct to an extent, american .30 cal rifles(.308, .30-06, etc) tend to have .308 or .309 bores, or occasionally .307. Russian .30s range from .310 to .311

Now one exception is that American produced 7.62x39, such as regular Winchester soft points you can buy at local sporting store during sporting season, etc, are often loaded with standard american .308 bullets.
 
Kis - You might consider the 6.5 Swedish Mauser round. It is a moderate power round, and can take almost anything that you would want to take with a rifle. The old Mausers should stilll be available, but can't cost a lot - I am speculating about availability and cost.
I am partial to lower power rounds, and traded my 243 W (sold to a friend) for a 270. I regret giving up the 243.
The 6.5 will do anything that the 243 can do, and more. It will penetrate deeply with heavy bullets (160 gr), but give you low recoil and good long range performance with lighter bullets - 120 gr. You can get good loads from Norma if you don't handload.
It beats the 30 cal Russian - it is a much better long range load. The 7.62 is like a 30-30 in power.
 
If the bore diameter is a concern, perhaps you could find an enfield, and go the chamber insert route with that? The Enfieds are .311 also, as I recall.

probably the least expensive option, unless you are prepared to learn gunsmithing!

Take care,

Tom

ps, brownells doesn't seem to have 7.62x39 barrels for the small ring mausers.
 
You guys!!!

Just as I had resolved my self-manufactured dilemma, you have to go and give me back the option that others had discounted. (Thank you., dammit.) :D

Still, I'll back-burner this. I'm sure I'll see a shiny object somewhere and forget what I was thinking about.


Arty? I have a 1916 re-bored Spanish Mauser in .308. This was just an exercise in seeing if I could mess with the little 7.62x39 round, just 'cuz it's cheap and cute. (And I hadn't done anything silly in a while.)



Be well and safe.
 
Sounds like a plan.

besides, I goofed and forgot the enfield has a larger rim, so extracting the fired case would be a real pain.

If you are ever absolutely bored to death, i suppose you could hand lap your bore until it gets large enough, and if there is no rifling left, you could hand cut a few grooves!

:D

I need sleep! :eek:

Tom

ps, I am thinking that the freebore created by the cartridge insert would help mitigate the increased pressure caused by the tight bore?
 
I'd definitely try it. The pressure increase is very slight, and since you're firing a lower power round anyway, it's not a huge concern. If I remember right, my Finnish Mosin specs to a 3.09 bore(though that might not be right, been a long time since I checked it), but still fires .310 and .311 surplus ammo just fine.

And you're right, would let you shoot an inexpensvie, fun round. Love my SKS, in large part because I like the caliber.
 
Kis,

Sorry for that one discourteous reply. :( Interestingly enough, it's usually the ignorant that are quick to scoff at sincere questions.

As etp noted, there is some variance in the little Russian rounds' diameter, and as tom mentioned, the Enfield .303 is .311.

John
 
John?

Not to worry. The High Road is a remarkably well-done site(s) and the folks there are generous with their knowledge and offer their opinions freely.

He gave me a chance to exercise forebearance and attempt a tactful reminder that he didn't answer the question, nor really address the issue. :D

I once was told that "it is by the friction in life that we find out how we are polished." So, a little friction is a good thing, yes?





(Long ago and far away I had an improv troupe for about three years, working in caberet bars in Chicago. It would be far too easy for me to deal with a heckler or a person behaving poorly, in fact, it would be cruel and unusual punishment. :) And nobody wins a pissing contest.)


Be well and safe.
 
"messing with the SKS"

Kis, I'm gonna save you some time an money by sharing info with you re: my recent SKS putchase, an Yugoslavian M59/66A1 SKS. It fires the 7.62x39mm round, and it has one feature that NO OTHER SKS MANUFACTURED has: A NATO grenade launcher and rings. This may seem irrelevant, but here's the rub: to install and use a NATO grenade launcher on the Semi-auto SKS, they modified the gas tube system with a little button. this button enables you to cut off the gas tube, making the SKS into a single-action rifle that will fire a round without ejecting the spent shell. You then manually pull back the bolt to eject the spent casing and chamber another round. This single action was designed to protect the gas system from blowing out under the hi pressures caused by the heavy grenade being launched with a blank round


Another fun thing about the Yugo SKS is that because it has the NATO spec grenade launcher, it can shoot M1 practice grenades, which are for sale on the internet and other shooter supply outlets.

To use the Yugo SKS in semi-ato mode, simply flip the button on the gas tube back over, and you're good to go.

A Yugo SKS will run between 80-180 USD, depending on grade, supplies and location. I gave 129USD at a gunshow a few weeks back for mine--used, but pristine bore, the A1 night sights included, all serial #s on parts match.

Here is a pic:
IOASKS01.jpg

http://www.lewhorton.com/m5966.html
Bust out the tru oil and cleaning supplies, because those CommBloc armorer's love the cosmo!

BTW, the Yugo SKS is basically the Russian Tula SKS design, making it more robust than Chinese or Romainan SKS. It is second in quality only to the Russion Tula SKS. Milled, not stamped parts manufacture.
 
PherrousWeal said:
BTW, the Yugo SKS is basically the Russian Tula SKS design, making it more robust than Chinese or Romainan SKS. It is second in quality only to the Russion Tula SKS.
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This source contradicts your claims to an extent: http://www.surplusrifle.com/sks/index.asp

The main difference between other SKS rifles and the Yugoslav versions is that the bores of the Yugo versions were not chrome plated--Yugoslavia has no significant native chromium ore deposits, chromium was expensive to purchase and Yugoslavia's relationship with the USSR (a major chromium ore exporter) since 1948 was lukewarm at best. One reason Yugo SKS rifles (in fact all Yugoslav small arms seem "beefier") is because Yugoslav cartridges are much "hotter" loads than other similar "East Bloc" ammo, plus since Yugoslavia's manufacturing capacity was relatively limited, each weapon had to be more durable.
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I can second the durability claim on other firearms coming from same respective arsenals (Tula and Zastava Arms). As in: Yugoslav version is likely to be better and last longer than Russian-produced one. All former eastern block weapons require good care because of [hghly] corrosive ammunition now sold as milsurp in the west.
 
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