OT: smoking

mott

mott

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The old lady asked(demanded) that I quit smoking, and with a new baby around I figured it was a good idea.
I've got a two pack a day habit and about midway through the first day I'm pulling my hair out and being gruff and grouchy, so I go get me a pack of chewing tobacco(something I enjoyed before smoking) to take my mind off of cigs.
I empty my pockets on the kitchen table before I go to bed, done it for years.
wake up the next morning and can't find my chewing tobacco,BUT there are two whole cartons of cigs on the table.
;) :D ;)
 
A bottle of strong whiskey, good tv programming, and a loved one who would smack you everytime you'd try to light up.
 
Well Mott as you know there isn't anything but a cigarette to cure the cravings, but there are a few things that can tame them. I have a tea that a naturopathic doctor prescribed for me that helps. It is called Nervine tea and is a blend of six or seven herbs (can't remember off the top of my head) that are all very calming. Its designed to combat any type of anxiety and having quit smoking years ago myself, I would be willing to bet that it would really help:) If you don't want to bother with that I would recommend Camomile tea and Kava kava or Valerian root. The kava and Valerian are strong stuff so I'd save those for if/when you have trouble sleeping because of withdrawl. Email me if you want me to pick up some of the tea for you.

GOod luck!:)
 
I quit 2 years ago after smoking for 16 years with up to 5 packs a day on weekends and 2 packs during "normal" days.
I decided because of beginning problems with my health. So one day I announced I would quit to my, still smoking, girl friend and friends and really quit 3 days later.
I tryed with will and found that I was about to loose the fight. Luckily I found a book by the british author Alan Carr the German title is something like "Finally Non-Smoker" while the english title is "The Easy Way", I think.
It worked out so great that I had no problems quitting and never had the wish to start it again in this two years.
The only problem is that I had to read it about 10 times but is not a big one and you can smoke as much as you want while reading it.
It is cheap so nothing to loose but read it several times.
Best thing that could have happend to me.
 
Books, pills, patches -- nothing works for me. I've been at it 54 years with six months off following bypass surgery. I'm doomed. Born to smoke. If there's anybody else out there who is a long time smoker (and I know there are at least a couple -- Indians love to smoke!!!!) you are not alone. When I get cremated I want a couple of pounds of good tobacco to go up with me.
 
I have been able to quit every time I have used the nicotine patches, but I start up again 6-8 mos later (usually when I am having a challenging work environment). My doctor says that next time he'll prescribe me some Xyban to go with the patches, which is something like 98% effective in keeping people off the coffin nails long term. My mother takes them for a different reason, and lost a bunch of weight she'd been trying to for years, so I imagine that I could even quit without putting on the traditional 10 pounds...
 
It's kinda a given that ndns don't have to many tobacco caused ills, but are one of the world's worst when it comes to alcohol caused
ills.
On the other hand Europeans who have had some type of alcohol for what seems forever have little problems with it and tobacco causes them all kinds of problems.
I have been blessed with just enough European blood not to have a problem with alcohol, but dayumit I ain't given up my smokes easily!!!!!!!:)
I really feel sorry for the mixed bloods who have just enough blood from each area of the world to have problems with both alcohol and tobacco!!!!:(

Usually if a particular group of ndns, like our brothers to the way south, had discovered some way to make alcohol it was always a very weak fermented drink that was usually used at celebrations or ceremonies.
The ndns used plant derivities to have their fun with. Once upon a time I'm told many tribes had songs for marijuana that was also used, generally, only ceremonial.
Marijuana was pretty much available all over the US and like all things was traded if an area was scarce of the plant.
Peyote in the southwest gradually made its way north and now is used almost exclusively by the Native American Church.
Peyote is supposed to help one stay awake for the all night ceremony, but had no effect on me at all.
And I suppose if someone ate enough of it they may see long skinny birds flying out of the fire, but most people I've talked to say that happens rarely and as I said with a whole lot of consumption.;)

I understand our brothers to the real deep south have some plants derivitives that are a whole lot of fun.
I think Jeff Randall takes some groups where they can experience the journey guided by a local indig.:)

An added note about tobacco.....
The tobacco raised and sold around the world today is a weak and tasteless substitute for the real tobacco raised by us ndns way back when.
There's still one variety that is grown, well actually several varieties, some just stronger than others that you can get seeds to grow your own from Seed Search I believe it is.
We have a catalog around here somewheres......
This one particular variety is said to be mildly hallucegenic.
Believe you me it is.:)
A couple of hits off a roll your own or a pipe made or filled with the strong tobacco is enough to make one see things.:eek:

Remind me the next time you're here Bro and I will fix you up with some ndn tobacco, regretably Not the really strong one.;)
Nevada would be an excellent place to grow it because it originates around that area.;)
 
There is a tobacco plant native to North Carolina that grows wild - lots of it in Lumbee country. I've gathered and cured leaves for a pipe, but it is one you want to smoke on the front porch on an evening when you aren't intending to do much, 'cause afterward, you won't do much but sit on the porch (no, it has broad leaves, not five little spikey ones). I'll stick with Prince Albert.
 
Nicotine...
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Quittin's easy, I've done it a hundred times! :p ;) ;) :D

Actually, I chewed, but never smoked. Cold turkey, it's the only thing that worked for me, but it wasn't easy. The cravings DO go away after a while, but it takes a while.

If you are quitting, you can convince your wife that since you are now clean, etc., you need help to keep your mind off of it whenever the cravings hit. Is there anything that she could do??? :D :D
 
Originally posted by swede79
Quittin's easy, I've done it a hundred times! :p

Actually, I chewed, but never smoked. Cold turkey, it's the only thing that worked for me, but it wasn't easy. The cravings DO go away after a while, but it takes a while.

If you are quitting, you can convince your wife that since you are now clean, etc., you need help to keep your mind off of it whenever the cravings hit. Is there anything that she could do??? :D
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:D :cool: :D
And then we wonder why they always seem to see right through us.:p :rolleyes: :cool: :D
 
Anybody tried cigarettes made by Native Americans?

I just mail-ordered some Seneca cigarettes (made? in Oklahoma by the Seneca-Cayuga tribe) from a store on the Cattaraugus Reservation in New York.

They're not supposed to have all the additives, which are probably worse for you than the tobacco.

I smoke Winstons, but the prices (mostly taxes!) are ridiculous, and these were about $13/carton.
 
where do you get those pics? funny!

I gotta say that the wife is right. There is a time and place for everything, I would say smoke outside (like my step-father when we have my daughter around), but I have been told that the smoke on your clothes can also be a danger to infant lungs. They are very sensitive.

On another note, I can't smoke modern tobacco's, they make me feel real bad. But, I remember when I was growing up, my grandmother took me "hunting" or gathering wild tobacco and herbs. She gave me a natural tobacco which helped me clear out my bronchitis. I know that doesn't make any sense, but she always said it was what man put in the tobacco that made it dangerous.

I don't take chances with children. There has also been quite a bit of research on tobacco attaching to molecules, and preventing oxigen (sp?) from being fully used in the bloodstream. It's been a while since I read that, don't know what is being said currently.
 
30+ years smoking here - 2 to 3 packs a day.

Been quit 4 years now - took nicotine gum AND patches AND a prescription drug called Wellbutrin AND ignoring the instructions on how long to take (took me about 6 months).

Gained 50 pounds. Took 3 years to lose 20 of the 50 - the jury is still out on the 30 pounds still hanging around.

For what it's worth - I'm convinced it was worth it.

Oh, by the way, Uncle - that Falcata is N I C E ! - Thanks

Hawk
 
Originally posted by buoy
Anybody tried cigarettes made by Native Americans?

I just mail-ordered some Seneca cigarettes (made? in Oklahoma by the Seneca-Cayuga tribe) from a store on the Cattaraugus Reservation in New York.

They're not supposed to have all the additives, which are probably worse for you than the tobacco.

I smoke Winstons, but the prices (mostly taxes!) are ridiculous, and these were about $13/carton.
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That's what Barb and me smoke.:)
We get 'em down around the corner at the Cherokee Smokeshop for $11.75 a carton, the last Barb told me. They may have went up to $12.25 now.

Ooops. Wrong Seneca. Our Seneca's are made right here in Oklahoma by the Seneca Tribe up around Miami Oklahoma.
Barb's brother smokes the ones from up north.
They're okay, but I prefer our local ones. I think they taste better and they don't make me cough.:D

"I just mail-ordered some Seneca cigarettes (made? in Oklahoma by the Seneca-Cayuga tribe) from a store on the Cattaraugus Reservation in New York."

Wait a minute. I'm getting confused here.:confused:
Bouy there are two Seneca Brands of cigarettes made by the same Seneca Tribe.
One brand is made up north and the others here by the Seneca Cayuga of Oklahoma. The Seneca Cayuga here were part of one of the governments relocation programs I think. ( Long confusing history when it comes to the US Gubbiment and ndns.)

Are you sure the ones you're getting are made in Oklahoma?
I'm not sure exactly where the northern ones are made. I was thinking maybe Canada, but that doesn't quite make sense.

I will have to ask Merle the Squirrel my brother-in-law.
Samuri Dave knows him:D
 
Here's a link to the Seneca-Cayuga cigarette makers in Oklahoma, and it says you are exactly right about the Canadian company.

Ordered the cigs from SenecaSmokes, which is in New York State, so probably not directly related to the Seneca-Cayuga Company, but close to me for shipping purposes.

I found out about them both at the Discount Cigarette Shopping Guide, which seems to be a pretty useful and interesting place to look into finding an alternative to the big brands.

Seems as though many of the best mailorder sources are Native American, and some of the best-rated cigarettes (not only Senecas--which come highly recommended) are made by Native Americans.

I'll be interested in trying them out when they come.
 
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