OT: Student arrested for zombie story

My school teachers used to borrow my pocket knife frequently. It was sharp. And that was in suburban So. Cal., not a rural school.

IIRC, the Boy Scouts stopped selling fixed-blade knives in 1984 - a milestone. ("Large" fixed-blade knives are "discouraged," and many councils absolutely prohibit them -- except that they sell them as part of official cooking utensil sets. :confused: )

Now, for purposes of entering public buildings in this area, ANY knife is a "deady weapon." An eight-year-old child was just arrested and suspended from school for bringing scissors to school - on a day when they were to make some sort of paper project. :barf:
 
Luopo said:
http://www.lex18.com/global/story.asp?s=2989614

A sad day indeed when in the state of Kentucky if you write anything, even fiction, that concerns violence and a school, it's considered a felony and a terroristic act. This poor boy wrote a story about zombies, of all things, overrunning a school and he's in jail. He made no mention of what school, what teachers or students, he was just writing in his english class journal.

Zero Tolerance = Zero Common sense
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That happened in Winchester, KY very close to Lexington. It is part of the Louisville, Lexington, Franfort Triangle. Kentucky's version of the Bermuda Triangle. Strange things can and do happen there. Sort of like Commiefornia. :barf:
 
:eek:
not a way a school would react over here - yet.
I bet things will develop this way. I wonder how long I will be able to make longbow-arrows with my history 7th graders - making the arrowhead (blacksmithed from the soft ST34 steel) is a lot of fun for them. Right now I have to drill holes through the shaft to make shure they break if someone shoots them.
As an archer I see that they measured an arrows energy and are thinking about to take bow and arrow under the German weapon´s legislation - which is pretty restrictive... (we are talking about oliympic bows here). I will start an archery project at my school as soon as I have the next level of trainer-license - but there are some critical voices among collegues and parents because it has something to do with shooting. Responsibility, concentration etc. do not really count when it comes to "weapons" thank god my headmaster is not one of them....

Andreas
 
Semper Fi said:
That happened in Winchester, KY very close to Lexington. It is part of the Louisville, Lexington, Franfort Triangle. Kentucky's version of the Bermuda Triangle. Strange things can and do happen there. Sort of like Commiefornia. :barf:
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I know what you're talking about, Semp. I've spent a lot of time in KY. living a stone throw from it in IN, spending a couple of years in Murray going to school and couple more in Bowling Green finishing up. MY in-laws are from Louisville. I love Louisville. It's a great city, but that triangle of cities is just too weird. It's almost like they have a chip on their shoulders because the rest of KY is too "redneck" for them. KY always has been a "good ol' boy" state. I hope to God it stays that way. So-fist-e-kay-shun might be mighty fine, but the US needs our places like the earth bound KY. They serve as reminder that sometimes a simpler time is indeed a better time.

Jake
 
OK...

Yes, draconian measures. Yes, dumb. Yes, unfair.

But between the laws and the lawyers, and the Columbine-type events, if the teacher, etc, HADN'T taken note, and then something happened...they would be in court (and perhaps in grieving) for the next 10 years.

I don't have an answer, but if a flag goes up, SOMEBODY needs to check it out. It isn't the world I grew up in, but it appears to be the world that exists today.

I haven't seen a news follow-up, but the very fact of this may help keep other teachers alert. (Of course, it may also keep other really troubled kids from publishing their angers.)


"My story is based on fiction," said Poole, who faces a second-degree felony terrorist threatening charge. "It's a fake story. I made it up. I've been working on one of my short stories, (and) the short story they found was about zombies. Yes, it did say a high school. It was about a high school over ran by zombies."

Even so, police say the nature of the story makes it a felony. "Anytime you make any threat or possess matter involving a school or function it's a felony in the state of Kentucky," said Winchester Police detective Steven Caudill.

The nature of the story makes it a felony ????? This will get thrown out of court. Free Speech trumps fear.

I hope. :rolleyes:




Be well and safe.
 
Semper Fi said:
That happened in Winchester, KY very close to Lexington. It is part of the Louisville, Lexington, Franfort Triangle. Kentucky's version of the Bermuda Triangle. Strange things can and do happen there. Sort of like Commiefornia. :barf:
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yeah I live in the north eastern corner of Jefferson county. Strange company for a guy from Arkansas and Mississippi, but they don't smell too bad here.

However if they could have read my mind when I was in public schools I'd been arrested for more than Zombie stuff.
 
The Draco referred to in the word draconian was ruler of one of the Greek City/States.

It was then customary to post the laws of each city outside it's gates.

Draco did so - just too high to read. Then his word became law because they could not dispute what he said.

Now we have bureaucrats to perform the same function.
 
As Jerry Pournelle says, "but we were born free".

I read on his website about a guy who was denied a seat on an airplane because he would not show government approved identification. He asked why. It's the law they said. He asked to see the law, here is the kicker, THE LAW IS SECRET. Since when do we have laws in this country that are secret! Remember when "ve have vays of making you talk" and "your papers please" were lines from bad movies?
 
RonS said:
It's the law they said. He asked to see the law, here is the kicker, THE LAW IS SECRET. Since when do we have laws in this country that are secret!
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Hmmm...great. How are you supposed to follow secret laws. I mean, I can see how you could have secret laws that allow the government to do certain things (e.g. read your library records) - not that I agree with this concept - but having secret laws that people are supposed to follow is just assinine. Next will be secret trials for violation of secret laws, resulting in secret detention. Wasn't this in Kafka :rolleyes:

Anyway, about the original story, it seems like you couldn't be charged with making a terrorist threat if you don't actually threaten anyone. To take an extreme example, the 9-11 events were more of a terrorist act, not a terrorist threat. It seems like there were rumblings prior to 9-11, but if there was an actual, credible threat, someone's butt should be in a sling for not tracking down the hijackers.

Hopefully, the seriousness of the charge will get him off. I'd like to think a jury of reasonable people would smell a rat and not convict.
 
I'm shocked that this story hasn't gone national. What's wrong here? Where are the libertarian watchdogs? The first amendment folks? What's wrong here?
 
Bri in Chi said:
I'm shocked that this story hasn't gone national. What's wrong here? Where are the libertarian watchdogs? The first amendment folks? What's wrong here?
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A student from the HS has posted on a bulletin board that the arrestee is not credible and is a bad person.

The principal says he "knows" the boy, but gives no details. (Sort of like, "If I could only tell you, but I can't.")

Nothing from the police explains why the arrest was made beyond a claim that the boys grandparents turned him in after reading his "journal" and a claim that he was actually trying to round up a gang to sieze the HS -- but had not rounded up a single person to constitute this gang nor had threatened anyone or any school by name. Then they make the general statment about the illegality of saying anything about schools, whatever they mean to say by that.

Time will tell.
 
More knee-jerk reactions. Granted, these guys probably didn't do the best job, but if butchering something is against the law as "cruelty to animals" then there are going to be lots of depressed carnivores across the country. Time to buy Boca Burger stock. :rolleyes:

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From the AP wire:

MOUNT PLEASANT, Pa. (AP) -- Four men stole, killed and butchered a goat so they could trade its meat for crack cocaine, police said. Police charged the men with theft, receiving stolen property, cruelty to animals, and criminal conspiracy on Tuesday for the Dec. 24 incident in Bullskin Township, about 35 miles southeast of Pittsburgh.

James Walter Albright, 37, dragged the 4-year-old pygmy goat from its pen with a rope and tied the animal to a shrub, where he and Charles W. Smith Jr., 20, killed the animal by beating its head with a hammer or a steel pipe, police said.

The men then took the goat to Smith's residence, where his father, Charles W. Smith, 48, and Gilbert Wesley Fisch, 38, skinned the animal and cut it up.

It was not immediately clear if the men have attorneys. The Associated Press could not locate home telephone numbers for the men.
 
True. Since it happened, though, I hope they got in a good first stunning blow and had some experience cutting something besides the wrapper on the styrofoam tray. You're probably right - I doubt they did a very good job and I'm glad I'm not a pygmy goat, especially one in the hands of some crackhead. :barf: :(
 
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